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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 01:53 PM Original message |
Should men have any say in abortion at all? |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Generally, no. |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 01:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Excuse me but even if it were your child and she |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Would I make her? No. Not at all. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. Your opinion is meaningless |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. To whom? |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Women get to choose whether a man pays |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Yeah, but as a man I know the risks going in. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:19 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. But why wouldn't that same logic apply to women then? |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:55 AM Response to Reply #96 |
281. In a perfect world there would be no rapists |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. If abortion is legal |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:00 PM Response to Reply #97 |
224. Because he bears 50% responsibility for the creation of a life. |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:21 PM Response to Reply #224 |
232. Not under current laws he doesn't. |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:38 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. No, no...maybe I phrased that badly. |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:15 AM Response to Reply #236 |
306. Because even after birth the woman has a choice: |
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bearfartinthewoods (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:08 PM Response to Reply #236 |
334. i can agree with you if you apply this to both sexes |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
144. The rights of the child (once born) and the rights of the woman carrying |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:28 PM Response to Reply #144 |
201. Nevertheless |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:33 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Who ever said justice is fair? |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:41 PM Response to Reply #205 |
210. So you admit this is unjust and unfair? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:46 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. No it is just and you perceive it to be unfair |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:53 PM Response to Reply #213 |
219. You said, "Who ever said justice is fair?" |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:59 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. It is clear you can;t distinguish between a child's rights and a woman's |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 10:01 PM Response to Reply #223 |
248. False distinction |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:32 PM Response to Reply #248 |
259. YOur analogy is false since the man had total control over his sperm |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:36 AM Response to Reply #259 |
285. Castrate deadbeat dads all you wish |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:45 AM Response to Reply #285 |
288. Actually, logic is YOUR enemy in this, and so is .... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:55 AM Response to Reply #288 |
291. Laws can be changed |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:08 AM Response to Reply #291 |
293. LOL! Okay, you go change the law then. |
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chefgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:13 AM Response to Reply #291 |
305. I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.... |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:28 AM Response to Reply #305 |
310. Huh? |
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chefgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:09 AM Response to Reply #310 |
318. First of all........ |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:46 AM Response to Reply #318 |
323. All pregnancies can be ended |
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chefgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:09 AM Response to Reply #323 |
325. Since you asked.... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #325 |
331. Mixed answer |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:32 AM Response to Reply #288 |
311. Does the mother have to pay child support when she adopts the baby out? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:04 PM Response to Reply #285 |
329. OK let me explain this ONE MORE TIME! FOr those that value repetition |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:22 AM Response to Reply #259 |
308. Your distinction is false, or did you forget about adoption? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:06 PM Response to Reply #308 |
330. Take it up with God then |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:04 PM Response to Reply #330 |
351. Why would I want to take anything up with a mythical deity? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:18 PM Response to Reply #351 |
355. No I am NOT dodging the issue and am NOT a sexist..a SEXIST would |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:18 PM Response to Reply #201 |
354. here's an idea |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. I'd consider adoption |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
185. RIGHT ON!!!!!!! |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Sure he could because the child is no longer in her womb. |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. But what |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. You miss the point. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Decisions |
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Jen72 (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
140. Many men desert their child and never take any part in |
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junker (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. No. Not until they can either |
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Devil Dog Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Does that apply to child support? |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. My personal experience has been that |
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Devil Dog Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Sorry but your answer isn't clear |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. This post was about reproductive rights not child support. |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. You asked if they should have a choice. |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
125. Where is it written... |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
164. Oh. THAT's fair. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
150. Another male that confuses an actually born child's rights with the rights |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:25 PM Response to Reply #150 |
167. No they are not. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:36 PM Response to Reply #167 |
170. NO the male's obligation is not to an egg but to a child once it is born |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:40 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. So whether the man has any responsibility or not... |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:48 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Sorry but your question makes no sense and child support is a matter |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:05 PM Response to Reply #178 |
186. Oh boy. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:19 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. I think you have it exactly backwards |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
71. I'd like to see a man's right to choose |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
100. I completely agree with you , Yupster |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
169. These aren't parallel decisions, though. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
147. Because the rights of a CHILD and a woman carrying a fetus are not one |
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Jen72 (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
152. Maybe because..... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:35 PM Response to Reply #152 |
206. Those are all her choices |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:41 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. If the issue is men want a choice then why the conversation about burden? |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:44 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Encumbrance? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:51 PM Response to Reply #211 |
218. Guess what Muddle? If you are together for say 7 to 10 years in most |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:55 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Facts of law vs. facts of biology |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:02 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. Oh I see..so instead a man should get to impose a physical risk on a woman |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:38 AM Response to Reply #225 |
286. Actually quite the opposite |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:51 AM Response to Reply #286 |
290. The law is not on your side. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:57 AM Response to Reply #290 |
292. And so the law will be changed |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 08:59 AM Response to Reply #292 |
303. It is the CHILD who then has the rights once born, not the woman |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:41 AM Response to Reply #303 |
313. Laws change |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:39 PM Response to Reply #313 |
336. Really? Like the one that contributed 100,000 to Reagan while avoiding |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:30 PM Response to Reply #336 |
338. The payment of support to the child is not unfair nor one-sided |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:48 PM Response to Reply #338 |
341. Lol I think you are actually directing that communication to the poster |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #338 |
347. That's OK, the compliments cut both ways |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:41 PM Response to Reply #347 |
358. No you are being BABIES about this and it shows |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 08:41 PM Response to Reply #358 |
359. Worse than babies. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:05 PM Response to Reply #358 |
360. You repeated neglect the obligation women put on men here |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:43 PM Response to Reply #360 |
361. Deleted message |
Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:36 PM Response to Reply #361 |
364. What she said |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:18 PM Response to Reply #360 |
363. women don't put it on men -- men put it on themselves. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:59 PM Response to Reply #360 |
368. Yes and you repeatedly neglect the obligation men put on women |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 08:47 AM Response to Reply #286 |
300. No. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:35 PM Response to Reply #286 |
335. They do get to choose and your responses all operate under the pretense |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. If I was told I'd caused a pregnancy and she was going to abort it |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. ?? |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. That is a good part |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. So remember those little rubber thingies? |
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Jen72 (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
159. The woman that terminates the pregnancy will most |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. I would have to say |
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lysergik (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. Ok, but.. |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. So, how do you really want it? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
73. It's pretty much a cottage industry |
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PissedOffPollyana (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
13. Until they grow a uterus of their very own... |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. Sure - they always have and always will |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. I totally disagree. |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. One ride in a car can't make a life long obligation |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. Not in any legislative sense |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. I like that wording |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. I'm torn... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
78. But why doesn't that same logic apply to women then? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Yes, but given that she has that decision... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. You lost me completely? |
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Rainbowreflect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. My husband and I have debated this more than a few times. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
79. If the woman has 100 % of the say, then |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think the man |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
23. As long it takes two to conceive a child. |
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demnan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. I think the man involved in the relationship has a say |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. Men who don't want babies |
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GOPisEvil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I can't argue with any of that. Well stated. (n/t) |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. But if a woman has irresponsible sex |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Nobody just "gets an abortion" |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. That's not what I suggested here. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. No it isn't. |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. That's not even |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Of course men have feelings for their children.... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
70. the baby is NOT part of the man |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
251. if you talking about raw material. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:27 PM Response to Reply #251 |
255. Ah, aristotelian logic |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
107. Spoken like someone |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
116. Brava, Nicole |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:26 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. We could ask him but |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
81. What about women? |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
108. Yes, it is a one-sided restriction, because. . . . |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. It seems if women are the only ones to get pregnant, then |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:36 PM Response to Reply #113 |
131. You missed the point. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:59 PM Response to Reply #131 |
143. I was just joking about the sex is rape remark |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:48 PM Response to Reply #143 |
179. In the real world, it's not a joke |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:38 PM Response to Reply #179 |
262. I really had no idea that there are so many |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:48 PM Response to Reply #262 |
340. "highly paid husbands and stay-at-home wives" |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:23 PM Response to Reply #340 |
365. Boy for non-judgemental people, you guys sure have me figured out |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
153. No because one concerns the woman's rights and one concerns the child's |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
120. Confused |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:21 PM Response to Reply #120 |
163. See post #108 |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:29 AM Response to Reply #163 |
320. Dangerous Path |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:52 PM Response to Reply #320 |
342. Not at all |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 11:08 AM Response to Reply #342 |
387. Two seperate issues |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 11:24 AM Response to Reply #387 |
388. If the woman is raising the child with time money and energy |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 08:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
302. Well said. |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
28. In |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
29. He can say whatever he wants to say |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Does this exclusive decision-making cut both ways? |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Those are decisions other people can make for themselves |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Subjective, personal decision....that's cool |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
207. That works once |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:47 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. My husband understands |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:56 PM Response to Reply #214 |
222. That's true |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:11 PM Response to Reply #222 |
229. No one makes a decision about my body but me |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 10:05 PM Response to Reply #229 |
250. Not just a decision for your body |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:20 AM Response to Reply #250 |
272. A deal killer for your marriage |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:40 AM Response to Reply #272 |
287. There you are wrong |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:04 PM Response to Reply #287 |
333. My marriage is not in trouble |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. This is about alot more |
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Alenne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. The affects of a pregnancy |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. Are the sexes equal? No...they aren't. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
241. The sexes are equal, but they are not identical |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
33. Veto |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. I was really talking about legislation. |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Thanks for the clarification |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
80. I sincerely doubt |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
115. Unfounded assumption . . . |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:20 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Yes, but we don't have a 50/50 gender split in Congress, |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:48 PM Response to Reply #117 |
136. Believe me . . . |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:45 PM Response to Reply #136 |
176. I think the women in your orbit are in the minority. |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:41 PM Response to Reply #176 |
208. Really, you have an opinion poll showing . . . |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:47 PM Response to Reply #208 |
215. Look at some of the polls on the other threads in this forum. |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:49 PM Response to Reply #215 |
239. I have seen polls on the Internet that show . . . |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:27 PM Response to Reply #239 |
256. So post the URL's to these polls. |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:07 AM Response to Reply #256 |
267. okay, here we go, get ready to change your opinion . . . |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:18 AM Response to Reply #267 |
269. That is essentially a PUSH POLL |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:20 AM Response to Reply #269 |
270. And your counter-poll link is??? nt |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 02:21 AM Response to Reply #270 |
274. I didn't say I HAD a counter poll. The language of this poll is LEADING |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:06 AM Response to Reply #274 |
304. Leading-ness poll not relevant for our purposes |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
84. No veto power from me |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
39. Of course men should have a say... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
41. As a man, I say no. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
43. No, they shouldn't. |
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judge_smales (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. So the father isn't |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Of course the father is a parent, but seriously... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
86. Mother nature has decided that after I |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. But we're not solely going by nature. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. I guess fairness depends on which gonads you have |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. Forgive me |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Answers |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
130. I must disagree. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:45 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Okay, amended answers then |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. I guess we're going to have to |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:21 PM Response to Reply #111 |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:29 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Wow yourself. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:44 PM Response to Reply #124 |
134. Deleted message |
NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:50 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. Wow again. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:58 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. Deleted message |
NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:02 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. Ridiculous. |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:44 PM Response to Reply #149 |
175. LOL! |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:20 PM Response to Reply #175 |
193. Their argument is so |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:31 PM Response to Reply #193 |
202. Roe v Wade and late term abortion |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 09:49 PM Response to Reply #142 |
244. I saw somewhere that |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 09:56 PM Response to Reply #244 |
247. That is because the thread isn't about adoption. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:49 PM Response to Reply #119 |
137. That really was a rude remark. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:00 PM Response to Reply #137 |
146. Deleted message |
NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #146 |
156. Really? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:19 PM Response to Reply #156 |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:22 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. To quote Barbara Bush |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:18 PM Response to Reply #146 |
160. Ya, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:44 PM Response to Reply #160 |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:18 AM Response to Reply #212 |
283. I still haven't heard an answer to the question |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:18 AM Response to Reply #283 |
307. What infants waiting for adoption? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:39 AM Response to Reply #307 |
326. I am talking about |
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calm_blue_ocean (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #326 |
328. If I adopt, I want an infant |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:44 PM Response to Reply #328 |
339. Well, I'd have to say that |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #328 |
346. An instant family |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:26 PM Response to Reply #346 |
349. That is a great story, Tansy _Gold |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
112. Nooooo....... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:20 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. The man would not be the one |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:44 PM Response to Reply #118 |
133. Ahem.... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
158. What about a sperm bank? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:29 PM Response to Reply #158 |
168. Ummmmm....nooooo |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:51 PM Response to Reply #118 |
139. But the decision to support would be the man's -- 100%??? |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:37 PM Response to Reply #139 |
171. So let me get this straight |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:26 PM Response to Reply #171 |
200. Well, it's a lot more difficult for a woman to have sex with |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:29 PM Response to Reply #200 |
234. That |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 09:04 PM Response to Reply #234 |
242. Oh, thanks! |
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fla nocount (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. I think in_cog_ni_to |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. How can you be a parent |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
145. totally irrelevant. |
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fla nocount (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
46. Only if her doctor is a man. n/t |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Would you require me to spend my tax dollars on abortion? |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. For one thing women could be drafted and do serve in |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. and on the money question? |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Your question doesn't make sense. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Yes we do |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. You are the one for twisting an argument aren't you No one was |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. I see still no answer |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. There is no answer. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Ok, Here you go |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. It's still apples and oranges. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
174. Yes I would vote to pay those taxes |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:13 PM Response to Reply #174 |
189. Excuse me but I don't ever remember voting on a welfare |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:23 PM Response to Reply #189 |
196. Our county welfare department |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:42 PM Response to Reply #174 |
264. Many women are firmly against the state |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #103 |
155. But you and I pay for many things in which we have no say. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:24 PM Response to Reply #155 |
166. You get to vote for the levies |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:15 PM Response to Reply #166 |
190. Splitting hairs and missing the point. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:58 PM Response to Reply #94 |
182. Do you get to opt out of taxes that pay to administrate the death penalty? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:07 PM Response to Reply #182 |
187. No but I am not forbidden |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:21 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. You mean like the Iraq war? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:33 PM Response to Reply #194 |
260. Like it or not |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:39 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. There was no debate but I would also caution that your argument |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
148. You also pay tax dollars for medical treatment of the poor... and no... |
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KFC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yes, of course |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. There are some issues where a general vote isn't |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
61. Personal Choice Means Between The Couple |
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WoodrowFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. agreed |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
66. If they're married, yes |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
69. NOPE !!! Other Than To Give Support To Whatever Decision The Woman Makes |
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Character Assassin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
105. And then show her the door if he doesn't agree. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
181. Well at least it defines where he does have a choice |
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Character Assassin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:18 PM Response to Reply #181 |
191. Exactly my point. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:22 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. But then you would have comitted assault |
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Character Assassin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:25 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. OK, 'placed' on the curb, cab fare in hand. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:31 PM Response to Reply #198 |
203. There's nothing I appreciate more than a man who knows where his rights |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
74. LOL !!! Ain't It 'Cute' How Many Men Here Feel They Should Have A Say ??? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Like I said in another thread... when's the last time these guys had their |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
77. A different perspective |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Certainly people who live together in whatever |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
87. A man in any kind of relationship with a pregnant woman |
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Castilleja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
93. No, unless the woman asks for his opinion. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
101. I have the perfect solution |
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elperromagico (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
102. None of my business |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
104. no |
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rusk2003 (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
106. I think Men have a right and a obligation |
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protect freedom impeach bush now (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
110. No and No. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
121. Should we? I'd hope so. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
123. Only if he is the father |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
126. Here I go, about to piss off 90% of all DU'ers |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:04 PM Response to Reply #126 |
154. It's painful, its difficult - its also NOT YOUR CHOICE. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:39 PM Response to Reply #154 |
172. Kind of a flippant answer to a tragedy, imo |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:46 PM Response to Reply #172 |
177. Apologies if it sounded flippant - but your argument... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:01 PM Response to Reply #177 |
183. I don't absolutely "know" as you do, but my beliefs.... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:26 PM Response to Reply #183 |
199. This is how I define having a say: |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:49 PM Response to Reply #199 |
216. To be perfectly honest, I do not know... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:19 PM Response to Reply #216 |
231. You're missing the point. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 09:51 PM Response to Reply #231 |
245. We've gone all over the place on this convo. Anyway... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:28 PM Response to Reply #245 |
257. I got it - thanks for the response. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:07 PM Response to Reply #177 |
228. Since there have been two similar stories from the male POV. . . |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:23 PM Response to Reply #228 |
233. Thank you for sharing that perspective.. as a man..... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 10:03 PM Response to Reply #228 |
249. Thanks for writing that |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:30 PM Response to Reply #249 |
258. You're an interesting fellow... |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
127. How about... |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
128. Nope... |
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phillybri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
129. No...Period... |
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Character Assassin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
132. And yet pro-choice female politicians can also be pro-WOD |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #132 |
157. IDIOT ALERT: What is WOD? |
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Character Assassin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:20 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. The War on Drugs. It's the modern day fount of most political hypocrisy. |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:02 PM Response to Reply #162 |
184. as a mother I think the WOD issue is one of those things |
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LalahLand (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
151. NO. Best bet is to "strap up" to avoid any misunderstandings n/t |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
180. Only if we can give them the hemorrhoids, bladder problems, high blood |
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onebigbadwulf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
188. Yes and No |
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
197. Well if WE got pregnant Yes WE then yes I'm obligated by law to |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:33 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. You don't get to force another human being to make medical.. |
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whirlygigspin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:50 PM Response to Reply #204 |
217. what a stupid question |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 07:53 PM Response to Reply #197 |
220. OK but only if you agree to die along with her if she experiences |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
226. Men Should Have No Legal "Say" Regarding a Woman's Reproductive Rights. |
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sistersofmercy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
227. No No No No NOOOOOOOO! and heck NO! |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
230. The whole question is sexist the way you frame it. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:30 PM Response to Reply #230 |
235. Why don't you read the other posts here? |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:38 PM Response to Reply #235 |
237. And many of them are patently wrong and sexist. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:42 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Sorry, issues that are based on real, physiological differences |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:39 AM Response to Reply #238 |
312. But a woman can renounce her financial obligations to the child... |
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NicoleM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 08:52 PM Response to Reply #237 |
240. Is there some huge epidemic |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 09:14 PM Response to Reply #240 |
243. Bingo! |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:33 PM Response to Reply #240 |
261. And the same should go for the woman |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:44 AM Response to Reply #240 |
315. So abortion should be illegal except in the case of rape? |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:46 PM Response to Reply #237 |
265. Can you explain to me how it would be possible to force. . . . |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:00 AM Response to Reply #265 |
271. Well suppose he doesn't |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 02:55 AM Response to Reply #271 |
276. Should he still be burdened for 18 years? |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 03:17 AM Response to Reply #276 |
277. God DAMN that's the best rant I think I've EVER SEEN!!!!! |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 03:47 AM Response to Reply #276 |
278. I think I understand your anger |
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Isome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 04:52 AM Response to Reply #278 |
279. Inequity? Get outta' town!! |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:46 AM Response to Reply #279 |
289. You are mixing issues |
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Isome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:12 PM Response to Reply #289 |
337. No, I'm responding to the charge of inequity. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:08 PM Response to Reply #337 |
348. Not at all |
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Isome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:34 AM Response to Reply #348 |
373. Mixing Issues - as you are wont to project onto others |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:12 AM Response to Reply #276 |
319. The woman doesn't have to live with it at all! |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:04 PM Response to Reply #276 |
345. Will you marry me? Or at least let me worship at your feet? |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:57 PM Response to Reply #345 |
350. ROTFL!!! |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:13 PM Response to Reply #345 |
353. ROFLMAO! |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:26 PM Response to Reply #353 |
356. Great to have you here, militant feminist Tansy_Gold married with children |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:56 AM Response to Reply #265 |
317. So explain adoption. Why can a woman renounce her obligations to a child? |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
246. Since when have men had a say in abortion? |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:09 PM Response to Reply #246 |
253. Okay, fair game. |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:33 AM Response to Reply #253 |
321. Then try to pass it. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
252. On a national political level, HELL NO!!! |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:10 PM Response to Reply #252 |
254. Yes, when they become the offspring and that is once they |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-22-03 11:50 PM Response to Reply #254 |
266. no |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
268. Well my thought... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
273. I think they do |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 02:24 AM Response to Reply #273 |
275. The question is at what point..I say it's a moment before they leave |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
280. What has befuddled me |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:37 PM Response to Reply #280 |
357. exceptions to the rule |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
282. This kind of sexist segregationism is jaw-dropping ! |
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VermontDem2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
284. I don't think politicians should have a say in medical decisions |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:13 AM Response to Reply #284 |
294. Dr Mendele had chance to be in the same way of thinking than nazi ? |
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VermontDem2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:21 AM Response to Reply #294 |
295. I just woke up so I had no idea what you said |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:37 AM Response to Reply #295 |
297. Elect politicians who share your ideas |
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VermontDem2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:39 AM Response to Reply #297 |
298. There is a difference between medical procedures |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 08:42 AM Response to Reply #298 |
299. We're taking about political decisions |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
296. When women can conceive by themselves |
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Booberdawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 08:51 AM Response to Reply #296 |
301. When men can bear children and bear the health risks of pregnancy |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:25 AM Response to Reply #301 |
309. I'm not for banning abortion, |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:38 AM Response to Reply #309 |
322. Good post |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:57 PM Response to Reply #322 |
344. Not at all correct. Men who DON'T PAY child support can still get |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:47 AM Response to Reply #314 |
316. Because banning abortion |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 12:57 PM Response to Reply #316 |
332. Long post |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:42 AM Response to Reply #314 |
327. A fetus is not a baby |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
324. NO |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
343. Can't believe this thread still lives! |
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Hep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
352. I know I would |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
362. Our elected representatives, whether men or women, should be |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
366. As a woman who is very pro-choice I say ABSOLUTELY |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-23-03 11:57 PM Response to Reply #366 |
367. Should a father be able to overule the mother on abortion? |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:18 AM Response to Reply #367 |
370. Ultimately, no. |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:31 AM Response to Reply #370 |
371. Ok, so my reason for asking is this... |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:50 AM Response to Reply #371 |
378. I can see your point. |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:01 AM Response to Reply #366 |
369. So from what you are saying you agree with |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:32 AM Response to Reply #369 |
372. Wrong! |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:43 AM Response to Reply #372 |
376. What if you were 15 or 16 or 20? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:35 AM Response to Reply #366 |
374. Once it is a born child, I would agree...the issue is what SHOULD be |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 01:14 AM Response to Reply #374 |
379. A few clarifications and a response --- |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 01:30 AM Response to Reply #379 |
380. Fair enough but I REALLY don't care about what lurkers think I THINK |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 01:48 AM Response to Reply #380 |
381. Ha! - nothingshocksmeanymore |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 01:54 AM Response to Reply #381 |
383. Don't worry..if men don't cool it with this crap, I'll bet God makes alot |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 01:51 AM Response to Reply #380 |
382. Ha!- nothingshocksmeanymore |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:37 AM Response to Reply #366 |
375. I started another thread for this post. |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 01:58 AM Response to Reply #375 |
384. Well, this sucks. |
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corarose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
377. Yes and No |
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Roy_C (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
385. Church and Roe vs Wade |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-24-03 10:38 AM Response to Reply #385 |
386. Third trimester abortions are far more rare and are usually |
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