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Tue Oct-28-03 05:28 PM
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Newsweek trashing Diebold!!! |
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Thanks to Bev Harris and Rush Holt - perhaps democracy can be preserved after all!! http://www.msnbc.com/news/985033.asp
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:29 PM
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We can hope that it gets picked up by more "major" sources and actually becomes a BIG issue for everyone, not just us.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:33 PM
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2. My God - how can people NOT realize how big as issue it is? |
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:46 PM
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11. It's only democracy, itself, at stake. |
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:49 PM
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14. The sad part is I'm not sure they will. |
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We've got to lead the sheeple - and now!!!
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:34 PM
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:35 PM
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4. And I am running on this issue |
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I converted a republican to my campaign with this article. Print it...Hand it out. Spread the word!
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:41 PM
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There's really no defending zero accountability! We may be able to convert a lot with this issue!
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:35 PM
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5. FYI - I'm collecting BBV articles in the Activism folder |
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:36 PM
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6. Does anyone think Diebold is being cut loose so that |
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the rest can go forward with their shitty machines.
I've noticed that there's less of a resistance out there in the media to defend Diebold. It's all due to Bev's work, which is great. But I get this sense that Diebold's getting cut lose so that others can pretend everything is OK. After all, they're just a small Ohio company.
I think it's important to remember that when Diebold is gone, the battle continues so long as computers are counting votes.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:40 PM
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7. Voter Verified Paper Ballot |
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Nothing less nothing more.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:54 PM
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19. Something more: Mandatory audits needed |
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Voter verified paper ballots by themselves are not enough if they are machine counted or machine generated. The machine tallies must be audited regardless of how close any race is.
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Tue Oct-28-03 06:00 PM
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better yet make the code opensource...everyone should have the right to see how OUR VOTES are counted.
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ElementaryPenguin
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:43 PM
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But we've still got to shoot down Diebold!!
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:47 PM
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13. Whoa...that's EXACTLY how they work. |
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They sacrificed the operation they had going with Arthur Andersen to save Enron's operation.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:50 PM
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15. That's probably the thing that's subconsciously influencing me. |
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They also sacrificed Enron but have totally preserved the 401K rip off structure and privatization generally.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:44 PM
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10. not really trashing Diebold |
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It's a pretty good objective summary of the issue, concluding with an opinin in favor ot the Holt bill.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:46 PM
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12. That'll do the job! We need that bill to pass or we are doomed! |
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:50 PM
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16. The Holt Bill doesn't allow full recounts for any reason, right? |
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Edited on Tue Oct-28-03 05:52 PM by AP
Will Pitt's interview at truthout covers this.
If Diebold goes down, but we're stuck with that bill and nothing else changes, the problem isn't really solved.
It'll be like McCain's CFR bill. It's just a bandaid, and there are ways to get around it. But all the inertia for real reform is lost for 3 or 4 years.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:53 PM
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17. the paper receipts will always have to be counted. |
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Otherwise, nothing stops the program from changing the votes that are tallied electronically but producing a paper receipt that the voter verifies, that shows who the voter actually voted for.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:56 PM
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20. The computer tally should act as a sort of Exit Poll |
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As a projected total, until the paper ballots are all counted.
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Tue Oct-28-03 05:54 PM
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18. I assume everyone is providing their favorite candidates |
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bbv updates and warnings?
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Tue Oct-28-03 07:02 PM
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22. An excellent suggestion that bears repeating! |
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