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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 07:51 PM Original message |
Do animals have souls? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. The older I get, the less I think there are souls. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
56. So, have you thought about how that energy gets passed on? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I don't think we gain "energy" in the e=mc2 sense through memories. I phrased that poorly. |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. They have more of a soul than many humans I know. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So where is the line drawn? |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Why does there have to be a line at all? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. That's what I'm asking. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
126. no -- "soul" is not abt innocence, it's about complexity |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #126 |
138. Thanks for that. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Does such a thing as a "soul" exist?? That is what you are implying. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I think I made this all quite clear in my OP. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So, it is your belief in a soul that leads you to believe that a soul exists. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You seem to be having some reading problems. |
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Inchworm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
50. Best sub-thread evah! |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
166. he has a nice way of interacting- patient, firm and open-minded! |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
114. With all due respect, |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. That's not exactly what I was saying. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #117 |
145. We're just coming at the problem from irreconcialable positions, I'm afraid. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. I think you've assumed I've made a statement when in fact I've asked a question. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #149 |
213. When you say "the 'laws of the universe'... are unchangeable" |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #114 |
168. sure, lack of belief can seem like fatalism. The physical world is quite ordered. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
214. My position is "I don't know and neither do you." |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. oh for God's sake (he-he) |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
116. You want powerful instrument? |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. My son's Guinea pig died last night. Here's what I wrote him |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. That's a beautiful ode. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. that's a very nice explanation |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. For a long time I have also believed that everything is just |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't believe I have a Soul....although James Brown did. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. If a person believes that they do indeed have a soul, themselves... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. So then, did we (and other animals) evolve souls? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Evolve souls? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Does that include single celled life as well? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I don't know. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Would you agree that a sense of self was evolved? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. That, to me, would be like asking |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
199. Thanks for your input. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. Personally, I don't think any being has a soul, really, but |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
47. It could be that we evolved a soul. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
15. very interesting question - some folks I know who are interested in |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I think I'll be wrestling with this for the rest of my life. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. hmm, someone I know just told me that animals all have different types of |
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JTG of the PRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
18. I'm not 100% convinced that humans have souls, but I'm absolutely certain that dogs do. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I tend to agree with you there. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
19. Yes. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
22. If |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. Do people? |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. And we have a winner! |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. looking for the meaning of life is never fruitless |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
143. Life and the world around us makes us interesting, curious and full of wonder. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #143 |
164. nope, don't buy it, but carry on and enjoy! |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #164 |
183. Oh, I'm interested - I just don't find that navel gazing is the way to go. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #183 |
211. suum quique |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
74. As is all philosophy and art |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I don't know. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
24. Self-aware mind? I think it probable that some species have it. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. hmm, i know someone who would debate that with you at great length |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. My dad is one of those people. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
163. I think our brains have a great capacity to engage with things outside them |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. About other species' consciousness or about the non-physical stuff? |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
162. both! |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. Look into these eyes and tell me they don't. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. What a beautiful dog. |
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Mad_Dem_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
110. Awwww...what a sweet baby! |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. And neither do humans. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I don't think they do, and neither do humans for that matter |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
34. I swear one of my dogs was the reincarnation of a dog I had before. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
127. i've received other reports of this nature |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
36. No. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
40. I don't believe in souls, so I don't think animals have them. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Plant life, yes. Viruses, I don't know. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. There are some insects which require hosts to replicate. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'm only pondering one of several options. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
45. Whatever we have, they have. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
48. Post #6 perhaps said it better than I can |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
169. good answer! |
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Inchworm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
51. Seems like Descartes tackled this one.. tired of looking hehe |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. It's going to take me a while to absorb all of that. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
52. Yes. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. So which option do you believe most likely to be accurate? |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
53. If anyone does, animals do. I've met many blank and empty humans, but never seen... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. What do you mean by firmly 3? |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. I mean option number 3 on the list. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Ahhh, gotcha now. |
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Inchworm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Reminds me of reading John Muir (added quote and link) |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
220. Thank you for that quote, it's amazing. |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
60. Yes, tasty, tasty souls. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
61. Souls don't exist. So, no. nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Do you believe in free will? If so, how do you reconcile a soul with having free will? NT |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Souls don't exist, so there is nothing to reconcile. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. That's what I was looking for. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. It's not really fatalism. An individual has some discretion... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Isn't "freedom in how to act" the same thing as free will? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I don't know if you will choose apple or orange... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. So where do we get free will from? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. If we knew all the variables and how they work... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. "Illusion of free will". |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #112 |
174. I really like the way you think! |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Thanks so much. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. no, it would have been far nastier in GD - this was nice to see! |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #178 |
196. That's true, unfortunately. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #196 |
209. for the most part, but any thread like this always brings out the materialists |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #209 |
223. Well, I'm a materialist in the philosophical sense of the word. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #223 |
227. fair enough! |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #101 |
129. A biologivcal means of predestination... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #129 |
191. Not really, because that implies that we are being directed... |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
172. the fact that we can't account for or predict everything is what might be seen |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #172 |
192. One could argue that those insurance tables... |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #192 |
210. fair enough! |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #210 |
224. I guess I don't see how that is snobbery. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. I think my perception of snobbery comes from the "how could they think |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
171. I'm not willing to allow what I want to be true to influence what I accept as true. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
155. There is such a thing as "free will"; we all make choices |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. I explain what "free will" has to do with the concept of a "soul" in my OP. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
193. Yeah, I don't think the existence of either free will or a soul... |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
170. predictable to some degree, but overall, no. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #170 |
194. But isn't it? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
63. no one has a soul. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Care to elaborate? NT |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. i dont believe in souls. for us or animals. nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I was actually referring to the questions in my OP. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. how in any way are free will and souls tied? i believe we evolved in a way |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. I thought I explained that in the post you just replied to. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. No. i disagree with your premise. there a million genetic & environmental combinations |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. The laws of physics are certainly not pseudoscience. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I think while you pretend to present physics, what you are reiterating constantly is pseudoscience |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. So you're saying that free will doesn't exist? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. yes, to a degree you are right. this field of pseudoscience is outside my grasp |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Brilliant scientific reply there! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
195. To reply to your most recent message: No, you would be wrong. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #195 |
200. scientific theories are publishable, even ones that are theories. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Many scientists have published work regarding the soul. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #200 |
208. philosophers have been arguing about the existence of souls for thousands |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #208 |
225. philosophers are not physicists. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
156. You've read enough to have throughly confused yourself |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. I'm barely touching upon quantum physics. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Genetic and environment combinations do not make free will. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. Deleted message |
Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
68. All animals except purebred dogs have souls. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
71. I would like to hear how people conclude that humans have souls. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I believe a soul is likely because I believe in free will. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
141. I made you post that |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
73. Animals do. People don't. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
76. Define soul |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Easy. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
142. ... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Did you read my OP? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
118. Yes, and such a thing doesn't exist |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. There may be no evidence that a soul exists. |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Define free will. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. Here you go. |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #134 |
148. In that case, no to existence of a soul and no to existence of free will. n/t |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #148 |
151. Thank you. NT. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #119 |
139. 'Free will' doesn't make sense |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #139 |
150. What do you mean by temporal? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Basically the "mind/body" duality is an illusion |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #153 |
161. Would you consider yourself a fatalist? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. No - because there is chaos in the movement of sub-atomic particles |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. I've thought about that as well. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #119 |
177. hmm after thinking a bit I'm not sure a soul and free will are related |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
81. The only diffs between humans and most other life forms: |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. So, do we have free will? Do other animals have free will? |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
123. I am the first one to admit to not knowing our origins or our purpose. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. I said nothing of a supernatural being other than I think it's likely god doesn't exist. |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
152. The one thing I didn't qualify was this: we may only be big-brained apes |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #152 |
181. I can't argue with that objective. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
83. Deleted message |
EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Could you clarify? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Deleted message |
EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to check that out. NT. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
91. Depends upon your definition of "soul". |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. How about the definition that I used in my OP? NT |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Sorry, didn't read it. Most folks in the Lounge are only after humor opportunities, |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. I still don't quite see how that relates to the OP. NT. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Okay |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
96. Everything is energy. Energy may work to become more complex. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
104. #3 |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Well, #2 might apply for you as well then. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Well, I'm the sort that picks up spiders and carries them outside... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I've never heard of that breed before. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. Most people haven't, but I've had two, both rescue. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. It is a wonderful age. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #131 |
144. Children that age are learning things so quickly, it's amazing. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #144 |
189. Every day I'm amazed at what my daughter learns. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #189 |
222. Wow! |
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Mad_Dem_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
109. I firmly believe that dogs have souls |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #109 |
135. I'm beginning to think so too. |
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In_The_Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
120. I believe they do. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
137. I don't think any of that is terribly unbelievable. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
121. great article, very thought provoking. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #121 |
133. Thanks. And thanks for your opinion. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
124. a few people and a few animals have souls |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #124 |
132. Thank you for your take on this. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
128. CS Lewis wrote something to this effect... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. That's a very interesting passage. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. The probable answer to all these questions... |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
146. no n/t |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
147. I'm of a mixed mind. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
154. If human animals have souls then certainly other species do as well |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
157. Just curious; how old are you? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Just curious. Why? |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
173. No, and neither do we. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. So, do we have free will? |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Why do you say that "order rules" in the universe? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Because it does. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. You're making an unsupported assertion. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. I'm quite familiar with chaos theory. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. You're asserting that the butterfly was predetermined to flap its wings. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Saying "what if" is not the same as asserting something. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Interesting thought - |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #188 |
190. Either free will exists or it doesn't. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #190 |
197. Sometimes staring too hard into your navel means you just find the lint. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. That's why I choose to set my gaze elsewhere. NT |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. Why would you choose to participate in a thread that's so filled with lint? |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. I was initially interested, but you're doing the Ouroboros now. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #202 |
204. Kitty pictures seem like far more your level anyway. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. ... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #205 |
206. Still enjoying all that lint, huh? |
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ColesCountyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
186. Looking into these eyes every day, I have to say 'yes'. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
207. Yes. Spirits and souls. Also "group sprits/souls" for each species. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #207 |
212. I'm very interested in the concept of group souls. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #212 |
228. Yes. Keep following that thought. |
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tester2010 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
215. No, they don't. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
216. Souls are mystical nonsense. Humans are animals. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
218. Yes, as much as WE do!1 n/t |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
219. Yeah I think animals have souls |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
221. I've realized you're not going to convince an atheist that souls exist |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #221 |
230. I think of souls/spirits as energy. |
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Sky Masterson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
229. I don't believe souls exist in any creature. |
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