What if we got rid of Pelosi?

[JustAnotherGen]

Seriously - we don't have the 67 Votes for an impeachment. The Democratic leadership in Congress is letting that little snot in the White House quite literally get away with murder. It seems like they are afraid to hurt his feelings or step on his toes . . .

What if something really historic happened? Like the majority in the House removed their so-called leader . . . and replaced her with someone like - oh, say: Kucinich. Note: I'm supporting Edwards in the primary, however I'm sure many of us regardless of who we are supporting - can say good things about ALL of our Candidates. The best thing about Kucinich? He doesn't care if he loses, he has his principles, and that's that. Why not bank on that NOW instead of hoping we win the White House in 2008?

It seems to me that it might be easier to get someone with a backbone as the Speaker of the House - who will raise hell and block Bush at every turn. If they aren't going to impeach him - then whatever he wants: Just Vote No.

At this point - nothing is getting done in Washington that I approve of - so why not have someone as the Speaker of the House who will make sure Bush doesn't get anything 'done' either?

[zabet]

1. Hoo boy!!!

:popcorn:

[Demeter]

2. Unfortunately, We Don't Get to Choose the Speaker

The House does. The same wankers who can't pass a bill to save their lives chose her (probably because they LIKE it this way).

[mac2]

20. We don't chose the speaker why not be able to remove her?

That is democratic.

[rhett o rick]

25. What do you mean "remove"? Call in an air strike? nm

[Bluzmann57]

3. Now I have a serious question

Just how are we going to get rid of Pelosi? I don't think she can be recalled as Speaker of the House and the election isn't until 2008. I am just wondering. Impeachment ain't happening. But judging by my sig line, it should be. Just wanted to get that out of the way.

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. A majority of the members of the House could vote to declare the Speakership vacant

Then a voted would be taken on a replacement.

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. Let me see if I understand you....

...none of the candidates have principles, except Kucinich.

...The Democrats in Congress have willfully allowed Bush to do what he wants.

...Democrats in Congress are afraid to hurt Bush's feelings (they're such wimps, huh!?)

...you want Democrats who will do nothing but exist to oppose Bush at every turn.


That about it?

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. It's a start!

:evilgrin:

[Harper_is_Bush]

9. yeah, if you're a rightwing operative looking to hamstring Dems.

[yojon]

5. We would have to get our reps to vote her out

Probably wouldnt happen. Even if it did, they would probably stick in Steny Hoyer. Not much of an improvement.

This is not to say it isnt worth the effort. They respond to the three Cs:

Constitution
Constituents
Cash

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. Well, let's not forget how it's weighted.

Constitution - 20%
Constituents - 10%
Cash - 70%

[mac2]

18. I don't know what is going to happen at the DNC convention

this election but I hope it's change from the present one.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. So what we are saying is . . .

(I live in Blue Jersey so bear with me) -

What I'm reading is: We can't write our Representatives, protest them, make their lives a living miserable hell until they do something, anything, the people that support them via our votes, our money, our time out campaining for them, the bumper stickers on our cars, our yard signs, etc. etc.


They aren't afraid of us? They're more afraid of upsetting the apple cart - than us?

Next question. Why isn't our government afraid of us? What can we do to make them afraid of us.

I'm going to be honest here - there are only so many ads I can take out in foreign newspapers begging the leadership in England (Brown), Ireland (Ahearn), Germany (Merkel), and France (Sarkokzy) saying, "Help <insert leaders name> - I'm stuck in America with a C-Student for the President". They're only 3 and 4 line box ads, but they are starting to break the bank. How many war protests can I go to? How many Save Darfur events can I go to? How much food did I drop at the food bank in Sussex County yesterday?

Nothing is changing.

What if instead of going against President numnuts - we 'cheated' - and worked change from within?

Call me crazy - I still believe my Government should be terrified of me - even my own so-called Political Party that won't bend to it's members' will. . .

So what if we cheated? I know - crazy question. Insane idea.

ETA - Oh - Kucinich has principles - but he's not afraid of losing his seat in Congress. Richardson, Edwards, Gravell aren't in Congress now. That's why Kucinich is appealing. He's more afraid of his Constituents than in what might happen if he upsets the apple cart. He's already done that.

It's also about What we can do NOW. Why the hell - do my fellow Democrats want to wait until 2008? That's going going to be far too late for Iran. We have 5 of our Candidates in Congress - you'd think they'd start getting a little radical - and popping off at the mouth for the free publicity alone.

[DeeDeeNY]

10. If she is not responsive to her constituents, she can be recalled

I don't know what the recall law is in California, but a few years ago there didn't seem to be any problem with their recalling their governor.
And you are right -- your elected representatives should be afraid of you. They should be doing whatever they can to serve you. You are their boss!

[mac2]

17. Right!

[FreepFryer]

11. You're not the same 'we' as me, obviously. I don't call for the overthrow of Democrats...

...even if I disagree with their priorities.

When she sends us into an illegal war for her own personal gain, we can talk about it.

[mac2]

21. Even ones who abuse their position?

[Danf1990]

12. if only

Its sad it seems that the dems are either spineless or owned by big business. The only true patriots are being kept silent or don't have a hope in hell of getting anywhere. Kucinich is my choice for pres but thats a Long shot with jerks like pelosi hoyer and feingold giving our party a bad name.

[Ytzak]

13. To be technical, Pelosi has nothing to do with 67 votes in the Senate

In the house, it takes a simple majority to move a bill of impeachment to the Senate. That would be 218, I think.

Removing Pelosi would have to be done by removing her from her Congressional seat. Who do we replace her with?

As other pointed out, House members elect their leadership. Short of removing her from office, I don't see that happening. Then, of course, it would likly be Steny Hoyer who would most likly be placed at the top of the pecking order. He is, if anything, worse than Pelosi.

[rhett o rick]

14. So your point is...........there is nothing we can do?? Settle in for the ride?? nm

[rhett o rick]

15. Under the current system we can't get rid of Pelosi. Looks to me like everyone

in Washington DC stick together. Apparently the HOR Democrats are happy with her performance as leader. And since she is an incumbent she is guaranteed a spot in the next general election.

We need to take control of our local and state Democratic organizations and change the system that makes incumbents golden. Ci vil dis obedience may be necessary but is illegal and I do not support such necessary measures.

[mac2]

16. Where's the petition? I'll sign it.

He own party could demand she step down since she fails to represent our interests.

OR her constituents in CA could get a petition to remove her. Remember with the governor?

[Speciesamused]

19. Shirley Golub is running to replace Pelosi

ISSUES SHIRLEY IS ON THE TABLE FOR:

Accountability in government (impeachment)
Our House of Representatives was given the right (and obligation) in our Constitution created by our Founding Fathers to investigate and take action when improprieties have been brought to its attention. Whole books have been written on the actions of the current administration and George Bush has admitted in public that he has acted in ways inconsistent with his duties to uphold our Constitution. So Congress must act and do so expediently. To answer the question of "why bother?" - First, the world is watching what we the people do here. We no longer have allies in the world community and if we continue to be sheep we will no longer be welcome as meaningful participants. Second, if we allow lawlessness of our supposed elected officials, what kind of precedent does that set for future administrations? Even this past year, Blackwater and Halliburton have been constructing 200 "detention centers" here on American soil for the "growing domestic insurgency." And just recently, the FBI has granted permission for small businesses with security guards, under martial law, to be able to shoot at American citizens (google "infragard"). What next? - this madness must be stopped.

http://www.shirley08.com/

[mac2]

22. Is she running in CA as a Congress person?

Unless she's pro-war they won't help her get elected.

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. Democratic voters in San Francisco just took Shirley Golub off of the table:

Shirley Golub 7,210 10.9 %
Nancy Pelosi 58,802 89.1 %

[RememberWellstone]

23. Dennis the menace! He would be perfect!

I could see him causing immediate impact on many issues. Screw the impeachment..lets get the legislation we've been waiting for, lets get the new Supremes that represent our values. We have bigger fish to fry than some dumb chimp.