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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:35 AM Original message |
Honey, I shrunk the fuel cell! Next-gen GM hydrogen stack gets small |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. Platinum-free fuel cell promises cheap, green power |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. We have here lots of promises, but almost no delivery. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. Commercial hydrogen is not electrolysed. It's "cracked" from fossil fuels. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Except when it's electrolyzed |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I'd also suggest you read the first bloody line of a post before... |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. Brown Chemists Create More Efficient Palladium Fuel Cell Catalysts |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is a bit dated... |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yes, it's dated and slanted |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Slanted? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Are you including compression and hydrogen infrastructure |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Clearly, I was not |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You need to achieve more than a 200% increase in overall efficiency. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Actually I don't need to achieve anything |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Refilling your car when you return in the evening? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You're right of course |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Finally, we agree on something. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Yeah… I guess GM and the oil companies did them in. Huh? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. No, just bad engineering and pie in the sky thinking. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Hydrogen is simply another convenient storage medium for electricity? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. If you repeat yourself enough times, I may agree |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So, batteries are "only" 160% more efficient than fuel cells, rather than 300%? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Bad math |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Try 200% more efficient. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. So, I guess you didn't bother to read what I'd written then |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. When you're just plain wrong (you are) |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I'm surprised this is important enough to you |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Pleaase, point out the flaws |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Efficient enough for what? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. "the fact is that they are not the right tool for that job, not now and not in the near term future" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. What do you mean "pursue"? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. The DoE has (in effect) said fuel cells not viable in the short term, so we have higher priorities |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. That isn't what he said. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. (Naturally) I disagree |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. "If that isn't conspiratorial, what is it?" |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. More careful reading |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Why is it important to me? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:16 AM Original message |
That's right. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. OK, let's look at those numbers for a moment |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You have GOT be fucking kidding... |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I know, if I agree with you, I have integrity |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It isn't agreement or disagreement that is the issue. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I'm sure you see it that way |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Hmmm |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I see, you're back to repeating yourself again |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Sure. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. He does that |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. You may want to bookmark this link |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Please follow this link (I supplied it in post #17) |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. where do you see, 60% efficiency? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I supplied it above |
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