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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 12:32 PM Original message |
Where Will the U.S. Get Its Electricity in 2034?-Renewables and natural gas may dominate ... |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. nuclear and renewables. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Nuclear is far far more expensive... |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. perhaps right now it is more expensive. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. There is no basis for that conclusion except wishful thinking |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. whale oil will never be affordable. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. The nuclear industry collapsed in 1974 because it was too expensive |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. there has to be some NG in the mix. |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. i'm against carbon taxes. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Nuclear isn't off the table but that isn't the point. |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. can excess nuclear power be diverted to other grids? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Nuclear simply puts out the same power 24/7/365 it never stops |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. thanks for the explanation. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Are you familiar with LIHEAP |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. subsidizing artificially overpriced energy? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Unfortunately, the "American People" have proven repeatedly that they only respond to high prices |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. carbon taxes are a regressive and backwards way to approach the problem. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Coal is incredibly cheap. Without carbon tax how do you get utilities to stop using coal? |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. you stop the coal by replacing it. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Places like California don't need natural gas for that. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That's interesting - the infrastructure is largely in place, you say? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Hydro capacity in California is about 13,000 megawatts. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. An assessment should be done. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
19. The U.S. will need electricity in 2034? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Well, you have to make some assumptions |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. True enough |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Well, one of the goals seems to be to move to "alternative" sources of electricity |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Scale trouble |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That's not true at all |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Good link. I wish projections suggested we were going in that direction. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Apparently, you have information the DoE does not |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. The DoE has abstractions |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. They don't suggest that solar will provide all of our power any time soon (if ever) |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
21. This is sobering. They're predicting few coal plants get shut down. But new nat gas comes online. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
25. Fracking, the latest fad in natural gas development really sucks. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I'd be OK with it if they were shutting coal down. But they're not projecting that. |
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