OH State, City Leaders Want To Fill Gun Show 'Loophole'

[RamboLiberal]

COLUMBUS, Ohio — State and city leaders are backing proposed legislation that they say closes a loophole in Ohio law that lets people purchase weapons at gun shows without undergoing background and criminal checks.

The bill was introduced on Monday by State Rep. Tracy Maxwell Heard, a Columbus Democrat, and comes ahead of a gun show this weekend at Westland Mall, 10TV's Kevin Landers reported.
Coleman was critical of the event, saying it has become a magnet for illegal gun sales.

He said a recent undercover investigation by authorities in New York linked weapons purchased from gun shows, including the one at Westland Mall, to crimes there, Landers reported.

"I'm thankful that Minority Whip Heard has introduced this important piece of legislation. Because of the loophole that allows private dealers to sell guns without requiring background checks, gun shows have become a magnet for illegal gun trafficking," Coleman said. "I strongly urge Speaker Batchelder and the members of the Ohio House to pass this critical legislation.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/06/13/story-columbus-gun-show-loophole-law.html?sid=102

[slackmaster]

1. There's no such thing as a "private dealer"

Anyone who is in the business of buying and selling firearms without a Federal Firearms License of the appropriate type is a gun runner, i.e. a criminal.

[Hoyt]

2. And they set up tables at gun shows, or sell their weapons privately w/o BGChecks.

[RSillsbee]

3. As I've mentioned before

In Colorado background checks are required on every gun sold at a gun show regardless of who sells it.

And as I have mentioned before it have zero impact on crime

what shall we try next?

[AtheistCrusader]

5. Same in Washington state.

No background check, you cannot purchase, sell, or even handle a firearm at the WAC shows.

Hasn't done anything measurable.

[safeinOhio]

6. The big money is in

buying the guns without a bg check in the next state and bringing them in to sell em to the local crooks.

[RSillsbee]

17. So, what you really want is a ban on all private sales W/out a background check

How do you intend to enforce that?

I mean seriously I have some number of guns that are two or three or five ownwers away from the point of retail sale. I could drive over to Nebraska, as a matter of fact I could drive to Omaha where you must have a pistol permit to even purchase a gun and that gun must be registered, sell a gun to my sister and there would be nothing tying that gun to me.

How do you plan to get around that?

[safeinOhio]

24. If handguns were registered, like cars,

any LEO could find out who the owner of the gun is within minutes. Just make it like a car that has a title that goes with it. No title and go to jail.

[TheWraith]

4. Then report them to the ATF.

Unless you think that making something that's just "regular illegal" into "double super illegal" will do the trick.

Yes, people sometimes try to do business as unlicensed dealers. And you know what? It is ALREADY a crime to do so. Those people get arrested.

[Hoyt]

7. All arguments you guys pose are just semantics. "Occasional" sellers can sell at most gun shows.

They can sell on streets and in back alleys.

Worse, gun manufacturers market their goods to appeal to the baser instincts of those who frequent such exhibitions.

Guns need to be kept out of public site in my opinion, not made common place. The sooner we quit glamorizing them and gun owners the better.

[eqfan592]

8. Or we could, you know, just go after the root causes of crime...

Because that would actually, you know, DO SOMETHING about the crime rate, as opposed to your ideas, which are so much garbage.

[Hoyt]

9. I'm 100% behind that. Will you guys leave your guns at home?

[rl6214]

11. Will YOU guarantee my safety?

[Hoyt]

12. Didn't think the idea was pervasive. Gunners will always have a rationale for their bad habit.

[eqfan592]

14. lol, first of all, it's not a bad habit.

Just because you choose not to partake doesn't make it a bad habit. Secondly, people have a rationale for EVERYTHING THEY DO, not just when it comes to firearms. To suggest that this is something special for firearm owners is idiotic in the extreme.

Some choose to carry a firearm for personal protection, others do not. It's a free choice to make in most states. Trying to color it as a "bad habit" is just underlining your own ignorance and bigotry.

[eqfan592]

15. Given that my guns are not the root cause...

...nor any other gun for that matter, no.

[lawodevolution]

18. Ccw permit holders are not the people out committing crimes

[rl6214]

10. Which public site is it that they need to be kept out of?

And which exhibitions are the manufacturers marketing their goods to that appeal to the baser instincts? Are you saying manufacturers market their goods towards selling them on the streets and back alleys?

I've been to the SHOT show (The Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show and Conference) which is for the industry insiders and did not see a single exhibit that was targeted to or that was advertised as being marketed towards selling on the streets or back alleys.

Try again.

[Hoyt]

13. Lord it's difficult posting to you guys. Manufacturers market guns to appeal to habitual gunners.

Point is, gun shows are places where illegal guns are sold by unlicensed "occasional dealers." And, even when guns are sold legally, the show is intended to pander to you guys' baser instincts and love for the latest killing apparatus.

Does that help?

[eqfan592]

16. "Lord it's difficult posting to you guys."

Then stop. You clearly closed your mind on this issue long ago, and no amount of evidence will ever change it.

[lawodevolution]

19. Hoyt, should gun owners also drink from a different fountain?

[DonP]

25. No , but they should be kept out of public sight

Since guns are dirty and offensive to Hoyt and his friends, both of them.

But I really want to hear more from the gun show expert, that never goes to gun shows, about how the manufacturers market to the lowest common denominator of gun owners.

[TheWraith]

21. You refer to any kind of factual accuracy as "semantics."

When someone tries to explain to you the difference between a standard semi-auto pistol and a machine gun, it's "semantics."

When someone tries to explain to you the difference between an individual selling their personal property, and someone engaging in wholesale reselling, it's "semantics."

When someone tries to explain to you the lack of difference between "conventional looking" guns and "scary looking" guns, it's "semantics."

Fortunately, your opinion carries about as much validity as any other morality thumper, lecturing people about how their ways are evil and they need to be purged. And you can look forward to as much success as the Women's Christian Temperance Union enjoys these days.

[Hoopla Phil]

22. "Women's Christian Temperance Union enjoys these days." Now THAT was funny!!

I'm billing you for a new keyboard.

[Hoopla Phil]

20. Just where pray tell, does governmental body presume to get the authority to regulate

intrastate commerce?

[slackmaster]

23. Case law pursuant to a bizarre ruling in 1942. See Wickard v. Filburn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn