Madison legislators argue against allowing guns in Capitol

[jpak]

http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=34050

The debate over whether Wisconsin should implement "shall-issue" concealed carry legislation comes to an end as Gov. Scott Walker signs Senate Bill 93 into law in Wausau Friday afternoon, but questions about the implementation of the new law still linger. One question in particular stands out: Will concealed weapons be allowed in the Capitol building?

That decision, it seems, is ultimately Gov. Walker's to make. When he will decide remains to be seen. The governor's office did not respond to a request for comment.

The bill does not prohibit guns in the Capitol, however, it does ban them from police stations and courthouses. The Capitol houses the Capitol Police headquarters, as well as the state Supreme Court chamber.

"The legislation itself is confusing, at best," says Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-Middleton), who introduced seven amendments -- including one to ban concealed weapons in the Capitol -- that were all rejected.

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rejected by GOP/NRA morans

yup

[HereSince1628]

1. As long as they aren't allowed in the state supreme court

I wouldn't want an angry old man to shoot the chief justice in fulfillment of his threat to destroy her.

[gejohnston]

6. on the other hand

if he was trying to choke her, clear case for her to claim self defense.

[htuttle]

2. Last winter, they didn't let us take signs with sticks into the Capitol

...because we could use the sticks as 'weapons'. Then we couldn't take any sort of signs.

Now they want to allow guns?

Does this make sense to anyone?

:crazy:

[jpak]

3. It makes sense to the gun extremists of the GOP/NRA

yup

[gejohnston]

8. are you an anti gun extremist?

[jpak]

21. No, I'm a gun owner who can't stand GOP/NRA gun extremists

yup

[DonP]

22. But all the states had bi-partisan votes to pass CCW

Just like Wisconsin, Missouri, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota et. al. Or are all 49 states run now by the GOP/NRA?

In fact, I can't think of any state that had only GOP votes to pass CCW. How about Maine, no Dems vote for it there?

Or do you just disqualify any Dem that disagrees with you?

You start those repeal petitions yet for Maine or Florida, or still just whining about it?

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[gejohnston]

19. it was an excuse to keep the signs out

with out saying "we don't care about the first amendment" or pissed off people with sticks more dangerous than someone who does not leave their pistol in the car while going whatever business he is going to do.

On the other hand, soon as progressives start showing up with guns, watch how how fast Walker does the Reagan and Mulford.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

[buddysmellgood]

4. Why ban concealed carry from police stations? That's where all the

trained gun owners are.

[gejohnston]

7. most civilian gun buffs are better trained than most cops

who go to the range only when they have to. Since Madison is a good sized city, the cops don't own the guns, the city issues them. There are small towns where the cop has to go to a gun shop and buy his own.

[oneshooter]

11. Houston, Texas, which I believe is the forth largest city nationwide

supplies only the issue shotgun. All sidearms are provided by the officer. General guidelines are 38cal and above, revolver or self loading.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[gejohnston]

13. Do you think that is a good thing or a bad thing? Saves the dept money

Both of my brothers in Wyoming had to buy theirs. Since my middle brother was only 19 when he joined the force, my mom had to fill out the 4473 for him. IIRC, his were both SW, one a model 19 for patrol and a Chief's special for off duty (back in the 1970s) My other brother carried a Model 28 and can't remember his off duty.

[pipoman]

16. I think it is good..

I, for instance, have a M3914 S&W which I love and can light matches with. My wife can't hit a 12 yard target in the same place twice...she can, however, drive tacks at 25 yards with her Kimber 1911. I have owned 2 Glocks, both were reliable decent guns, the triggers always hindered my shooting unless I completely focused on the trigger pull..I just never liked them and wouldn't want to have to rely on my accuracy with them in defense of myself or others. Personal fit and preference could improve overall police shooting performance.

[ileus]

5. Why are they scared of the people their salary?

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[DonP]

12. 6 Dem Senators voted for this - the other 8 are sore losers

This is a done deal. Better luck next time gun control fans. Let us know when/if you get someone to repeal CCW.

Next in line Illinois.

[DonP]

17. Sorry, I forgot the 11 Dem Reps that also voted for CCW

From the Madison Herald Register:

Bipartisan support for Concealed Carry

Bob Ziegelbauer, in his role as the Independent state representative for Manitowoc, voted in favor of the bill which cleared the Senate 25-8 with six Democrats joining all 19 Republicans and passed in the Assembly 68-27 with 11 Democrats in favor, with one Republican opposed.

[Angry Dragon]

14. It seems it is okay to bring into a place I work but

it might not be okay to bring guns into the place where the law was passed

It sounds to me that they really are afraid of guns in the work place.............

hypocrites

[one-eyed fat man]

15. Carrying guns into the Capitol, legal in Ky & at least 10 other states,

http://www.wfpl.org/2011/01/12/beshear-not-concerned-about-capitol-gun-policy/

Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear sees no reason to change the current “open carry” policy for handguns at the State Capitol. Beshear says he feels comfortable and safe in the building. But even if he wanted to alter the policy, Beshear says he doesn’t have the authority.

“Gov. Patton did issue an executive order at one point I think banning weapons in the capitol. And that’s what caused the laws to arrive at where they are today and that is, the legislature is in control of that issue, and not the governor,” he said.

Some places have settled this question,and NOT to your liking. Absent some aggravating circumstance, simply wearing a sidearm, openly, is not a breach of the peace. In fact our Court of Appeals would really have your backwoods knickers in a twist with this ruling.

Holland v. Commonwealth, 1956

"In our state the legislature is empowered only to deny to citizens the right to carry concealed weapons. The constitutional provision is an affirmation of the faith that all men have the inherent right to arm themselves for the defense of themselves and of the state. The only limitation concerns the mode of carrying such instruments. We observe, via obiter dicta, that although a person is granted the right to carry a weapon openly, a severe penalty is imposed for carrying it concealed. If the gun is worn outside the jacket or shirt in full view, no one may question the wearer’s right so to do."

It's not a problem here, it hasn't been a problem here. If it's causing you to lose sleep at night up there in Maine posting this stuff, all the more reason the to remind you that "open carry" is a right guaranteed by the Kentucky Constitution. You Yankees just must be more clumsy with guns or just more prone to shoot each other for no good reason if the prospect of legally armed citizens makes you piss your pants. Yup.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. Maine has been shall-issue for quite a while. Any blood flowing at the LL Bean outlets yet?

Shootouts over the parking spaces at the Maine Diner? Drivebys at the Yarmouth ferry terminal?

Perhaps our Maine resident could inform us...

[one-eyed fat man]

20. I believe I found his picture...

[Katya Mullethov]

23. My God

A pole sitting Pietenpol manure spreader !

[one-eyed fat man]

24. Pietenpol? not many know what one is.

Actually, the "Piet" is a parasol wing not a biplane. Not a bad flying little airplane. Does a lot better with an A-65 than the Model A Ford engine of the original.



This is my preferred way to travel. Screw the TSA. Plus I know the baggage handler. If my suitcase isn't there when I get there I have no one to blame but myself.

[Katya Mullethov]

25. That 4 banger spurred me into alliteration

Simply spotting the manure spreader wasn't enough .

I would wager the numbers are similar to those that can tell the difference between a botched sting , an act of sedition, and a hog oiler .