Time to renew the license

[oneshooter]

Going to the range friday to renew my Texas CHL. Four hours of class and a 50rd live fire test. Mom is going with me to renew her license also. She is 73 and carries a 3" S&W M60 in stainless steel. Went out yesterday and put 100rds in practice, she did well. And yes we were using human silhouette targets!
$85 for the class, $70 to the state, good for five more years.

Target profile and scoring used for Texas DPS CHL Classes.

Approximate size of torso: 20" X 30" (!!!)

The "demonstration of proficiency" requires a total of 50 rounds.

The first 20 rounds are fired from a distance of 3 yards. (Yes, you read it right.) The next 20 rounds are fired from range of 7 yards. The last 10 rounds are fired from a range of 15 yards.

A perfect score is 250 points. A minimum score of 175 is required for a "pass".

The shooting test is strictly "pass" or "fail" and that is the only score provided on Form TR-100.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[aikoaiko]

1. Keep us updated.

Have a good shoot.

[S_B_Jackson]

2. Just did that in March....

Enjoy....thankfully, DPS seems to have caught up on the backlog they'd been experiencing thoughout the last year or so....took me 45 days from the day I mailed in my completed renewal packet till my new CHL arrived in my mailbox.

[krispos42]

3. Good luck! n/t

[ileus]

4. silhouette targets! You basers with your pokers sticking out rudely in public.

No really congrats on your hard work at staying safe, and your dedication to keep society safe.

[Name removed]

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[rrneck]

8. We're much more proud

of your ability to produce undeleteable bullshit.

[ileus]

10. looks armed to me...

[oneshooter]

11. Hoyt, just because you couldn't pass the qualification test with a shotgun and buck shot

Don't mean that both myself, and my Mother, give a damn about your thoughts on it. We both choose to be able to defend ourselves and out family.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

PS Where is that picture you promised to show us? Or is that another of your fantasies?

[Hoyt]

12. Heck, at 15 yards, I could pass using my machetes. But I don't use silhouette targets.

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. And yet the bullets you fire at your targets are just as deadly as if you did... n/t

[Hoyt]

14. Yea, but I don't play/practice shooting people, even if just targets. eom

[oneshooter]

15. Like I said, you couldn't pass the test with a shotgun and buckshot. n/t

[PavePusher]

18. There is nothing wrong with silouette targets.

Aren't you the one who wails about lack of training?

Jello, all the way down...

[Hoyt]

20. Actually there is something sick about practicing killing people. I recognize you can't see that.

[oneshooter]

21. I practice to defend , If the Goblin dies as a result of his actions then it is his bad.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. And yet the people YOU trust with guns (cops) train with silhouette targets

Still talking out of both sides of your mouth, eh?

[Hoyt]

23. And I would expect them to. They actually face much higher odds of a "situation" than you guys.

[PavePusher]

25. So, have you come up with a way to guarantee they'll be there when I need them?

Or are you merely continuing to bloviate?

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. So it's OK for *them* to be "sick"- but not us.

What a bootlicker!

[Atypical Liberal]

52. So how do you explain the dichotomy?

So how do you explain the dichotomy that it is OK for police to train to shoot people on your behalf but it is sick if people train to do it to defend themselves?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

28. Mouth?? n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

26. It is a skill,

One that may never be needed, but a skill; a skill that if needed and employed must be exercised so as to best protect the innocents and one's self.

I know you're more altruistic than anyone around but...


"Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one’s life, one’s goods or one’s physical integrity; sometimes, even 'til the aggressor’s death... In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life or one’s goods and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act, which is the right of the victim." Thomas Aquinas.

"Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men." Augustine of Hippo.

(emphasis is mine)

[Hoyt]

33. A dubious "skill" at best.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

35. dubious: fraught with uncertainty or doubt; undecided

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Being uncertain or undecided about a situation involving personal defense is dangerous. If that's how you feel, you shouldn't have a weapon, just a phone.

[Hoyt]

37. You need a new dictionary to start. 96% who don't carry in public, think you are being irrational.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

44. Okay...

...step away from the keyboard...


...relax...


...

[Atypical Liberal]

53. Lots of people don't wear helmets or seatbelts, either.

You need a new dictionary to start. 96% who don't carry in public, think you are being irrational.

Just because lots of people are complacent does not mean that those who are not are irrational.

Lots of people don't have life insurance. Lots of people don't wear seatbelts.

Hell, lots of people don't even vote.

That doesn't make them more rational.

[oneshooter]

31. So a 73yr old woman is "sick" for practicing to defend herself? n/t

[oneshooter]

34. Hoyt, you were asked a question. Be civilized and answer it. n/t

[Hoyt]

36. Are you a 73 year old women? "Civilized" -- WTF is civilized about strapping 2 guns on in public?

[oneshooter]

41. You know that if you learn reading comprehension you would not sound as stupid as you do. n/t

[Hoyt]

42. I love it when some guy who has to strap on a couple of guns to leave home calls me "stupid."

[oneshooter]

45. Better get used to it.

"Mom is going with me to renew her license also. She is 73 and carries a 3" S&W M60 in stainless steel."

Hoyt (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Actually there is something sick about practicing killing people. I recognize you can't see that.


oneshooter (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. So a 73yr old woman is "sick" for practicing to defend herself? n/t

oneshooter (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-14-11 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Hoyt, you were asked a question. Be civilized and answer it. n/t

Hoyt (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-14-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Are you a 73 year old women? "Civilized" -- WTF is civilized about strapping 2 guns on in public?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[spin]

39. You don't get a carry permit to target shoot ...

You carry a concealed weapon to stop an attack.

A silhouette target is very appropriate for practice with the firearm you chose for self defense. The object is not to place all your rounds in the 10 or X ring of the bullseye target at 25 yards.



The object is to place several shots in the "kill zone" of a silhouette target as rapidly as possible. This may indeed result in serious injury or death. However, your object is to STOP the attack.



The fact is that you might kill an attacker if you ever have to use your weapon. I personally hope and pray that I will never have to use my firearms for legitimate self defense -- but I will if necessary.

Before you ever decide to own a firearm for self defense, you need to ask yourself if you are willing to use your weapon if necessary knowing that you may injure or even kill your attacker. Many people realize that they could never do this and there is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting that you could never shoot another person no matter what he was doing. f you are unwilling or hesitant to pull the trigger of your firearm if it is absolutely necessary -- DON'T OWN A FIREARM FOR SELF DEFENSE.

Yes it is true that shooting at a silhouette target is far more realistic and not as "nice" as shooting at a bullseye target. It helps prepare you for a real life encounter.

When I took some jujitsu training many years ago, I learned techniques that were very effective at stopping an attack but using them might cause serious injury to my opponent. The form of jujitsu I trained in is not a sport like judo, it is down and dirty street fighting. While many of the "tricks" I learned would not cause serious injury, many would. I had to ask myself if I was willing to use these "dirty" tactics if absolutely necessary and my answer was, "Yes."

You probably feel that I and others who carry concealed firearms are cold blooded killers. You have often claimed that we carry a firearm because we live in fear. I can understand why you feel that way, but I suspect your preconceptions of those who carry are based on your own fantasies and fear. Police officers carry handguns and practice using them on silhouette targets. Do they carry because of paranoia or fear? Are all cops cold blooded killers? Many people have concealed carry permits and carry because they like to be prepared.

You have a far different attitude about life than I do. I, unlike you, realize that people differ. Just because someone has a different view than I do, I don't criticize them. I try to understand where they are coming from and why they feel the way they do.

I have no problem if a person tells me that they would find it impossible to shoot another person. Often people that I have known have asked me if I felt that they should get a firearm for self defense. I always have asked them if they were willing to use it knowing that they might seriously injure or kill someone. A significant percentage of the people I asked thought about the question for a few minutes and replied that there was no way that they could purposefully injure another person. I told them that I admired their honestly and respected their decision and then advised them on other alternatives they could use for self defense that while not as effective as a firearm could possibly stop an attack.

I often recommend pepper spray and I carry it myself. It's simple to use and often effective and is cheap and easy to use. In fact, several days ago I was mentioning pepper spray in a post on DU and I realized that my spray might have passed the expiration date. It did in June, so I ordered more from Amazon.com.



SABRE Compact Pepper Spray with Quick Release Key Ring (Black)
$7.19 + Free Shipping
http://www.amazon.com/SABRE-Compact-Pepper-Spray-Release/dp/B000UVTDLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1313358789&sr=8-3

After I ordered the pepper spray from Amazon.com, I was visiting the Ruger firearms web page and I discovered they make what looks like a really effective pepper spray device that also has a high decibel alarm and a blinding strobe light built in.





You can view a video of the device at http://www.ruger.com/micros/pepperSpray/index.html?r=y

This device is more expensive but still reasonable. It costs $29.95.

It can be purchased at http://shopruger.com/R3HB01-Stealth-Pepper-Spray-System-Black/productinfo/17005/ and there are other choices of pepper spay on the Ruger web site.

NOTE: in some areas of the country pepper spray is illegal.

[Hoyt]

43. "Appropriate" to whom? Some guy who lives for gun porn. Ha.

Now, your pepper spray is a good idea -- but how many of the cowboys here will carry that when they can strap two guns to their body and head out to Chuck E Cheeze or a public park.

[Katya Mullethov]

46. The Black Jesus is not uncommon at all

Along with a knife, pistol, cell phone, handcuffs, flashlight, and a condom . Had you any pants or shirts with pockets, you would eventually come to see they offer some great utility .

[spin]

47. As I mentioned, I carry pepper spray ...

but to be honest, I have no idea how many other people with carry permits do the same.

[X_Digger]

48. Most that I know do carry CS/pepper spray.

I noticed that the expiration date on my little can had passed, so I chucked it in the trash recently. I had planned on picking up a new can via amazon, but the one I like isn't carried by an amazon seller anymore. I suspect I'll have to wait til the next gun show to replace it.

eta: aha! Found it via a different amazon seller (wasn't available via my order history..)

http://www.amazon.com/Police-Magnum-Keychain-Pepper-Spray/dp/B002B3U4NM/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1313377149&sr=8-6

[Kennah]

49. If one isn't willing to shoot someone, then one has no business carrying a gun.

[Atypical Liberal]

50. Are police officers sick?

Actually there is something sick about practicing killing people. I recognize you can't see that.

I suspect that police officers use human profile targets. Is that sick too?

[Hangingon]

5. Got my renewal letter from DPS too.

Pretty much the same costs. The "demonstration of proficiency" is not a problem, but I plan to practice. The test csn be passed in the first two phases. Next, I want to go to a good defensive shooting school.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

6. Just a thought.

I haven't been but I've researched a good bit. Frontsight

[Hangingon]

9. Looks interesting.

Have to save a bit for the 4 day defensive handgun course.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. I just discovered... (check this out)

...there is a special going on at Frontsight.

The "Challenge Membership" offers, attend the following courses free of charge and as often as you wish:
Two Day Defensive Handgun;
Two Day Tactical Shotgun;
Two Day Practical Rifle;
Two Day Uzi Submachine Gun;
Two Day Select Fire M16;
Four Day Defensive Handgun;
Four Day Tactical Shotgun;
Four Day Practical Rifle;
Four Day Uzi Submachine Gun;
Four Day Select Fire M16.

The cash price is $4900 (on sale now I think) or it can be set up as monthly payments.
I spoke to Phil at Frontsight (707-837-0131).

But for a few more days they are offering a FIVE for one deal.
Pay for one Challenge Membership get four free.

If I can swing it, it'll be Christmas presents for family and close friends. :)

The link: http://www.frontsight.com/challenge/

[oneshooter]

16. The cost at the range I normally go to is $75. I am going to an indoor range

as Mom does not do real well in 100deg+ heat.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hangingon]

17. Nice indoor range in Corpus.

There is an outdoor range closer, but it is too hot here too. I'm guessing you are in North Texas?

[oneshooter]

19. Na, I live north of katy. Went to Shiloh Shooing Range, nice people and range.

Finished about an hour ago. Passed the course of fire and the written exam. Now all I have to do is send my paperwork in ( with $70 ) and wait. Mom passed also but her fee to the state is only $35, senior citizen discount.

Hoyt, you can't hit a closed barn from the inside with both barrels of a shotgun.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hangingon]

24. Planning on getting my renewal at Sharp Shooter in Corpus.

I am a senior too. My wife shoots but she has 2 more years. Would like to have her go to denfensive shooting school too.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. You may...

...want to check out my post #29.

[Hoopla Phil]

32. You talking about Sharp Shooter? I've did my last two requals there. My last

renewal I was exempt for qualifying and did it by mail.

[Hangingon]

38. Yep. Sharp Shooter over on Staples.

Nice facility and range. There is an outdoor range closer but it is a bit scrungy. I have another renewal before I am exempt for qualifying. It is a new major goal to get there.

[Katya Mullethov]

40. Their senior instructor's thoughtful and grandfatherly demeanor

made me completely forget just how bad I was getting screwed , just how grating it was to close my business, and go hat in hand to pay a nearly two thousand dollar tax to claim a right ........ until I was halfway home , and then I laughed out loud . Oren Moore rocks as an instructor and someone should insist he record his encounters with Henry Lee Lucas for posterity . .

[Hangingon]

51. I didn't realize there were other Coastal Bend folks here.

Good to know. Thanks for the info on instructor staff.

[Hoopla Phil]

54. The mandated hours are far in excess of what is needed to complete the material. Fortunately

there are instructors with very good stories to tell. I recall the very first question was "Who here first got their license in 95? He greeted the raised hands with a very heartfelt "thank you" for not screwing up and causing problems when the program was new.

[Hangingon]

56. I remember the predictions,,,

Central Expressway would run red with the blood of traffic disputes. Glad it never happened. The Early holders do deserve our thanks.

[Hoopla Phil]

55. Which is closer to you, Starry or Hwy 44? I first started shooting IPSC at Starry

back in the early 90's. VERY good group of shooters there at the time. The year before I joined they put together a team that went down to Brazil, competed, and WON the International Postal Match. Real nice to noobs too. I was very fortunate to have learned from them.

[Hangingon]

57. I am in Aransas County. Hwy 44 is aways off.

I don't know Starry. Over towards Alice? Would like to see some IPSC matches but I am no where near ready for competetion shooting. Did make it to Saxet and got 4 new mags.