NEW HAMPSHIRE: Legislature overrides governor's veto of Stand-Your-Ground-Law.

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/09/14/nh_house_passes_bill_to_expand_deadly_force/

CONCORD – The New Hampshire House overrode the veto of Gov. John Lynch on Wednesday and passed a law expanding the rights of citizens to defend themselves with deadly force in public.

The 251-111 vote from the House of Representatives stunned opponents because GOP leaders said publicly that vetoes would not come up during what was expected to be a brief, one-day session.

SNIP

Current law allows anyone to use deadly force in defense of his or her home or property. They may use deadly force in public to defend themselves but only if they cannot safely retreat.

This measure removes the requirement to try to retreat.

SNIP More at link.

Another win for RKBA rights. 28 states already have this law and it isn't a problem for ordinary folks. It has made being a violent street criminal more dangerous. Justifiable homicides have tripled in FL since the bill passed in 2005.

[WhiteTara]

Soon we won't need police.

We can just have shoot outs in the street.

[gejohnston]

3. and in other states?

It applies to any lethal weapon. Why would there be shoot outs in the streets? If someone is within ten feet of you with a tire iron, how are you going to call 911? Who gets to define safely retreat?

[WhiteTara]

4. No...I'll get out my trusty shotgun

and then shoot 'em...right there in the street. :rofl:

[Kennah]

5. I've heard that is the most painful place to be shot

[SteveM]

36. Lots worse than in the bed. nt

[rl6214]

8. Just like we have in all the other states with similar laws

[glinda]

14. I was told that by a State Supreme Court Judge actually. HE believed that the

intention was to return the Country to shooting it out in the streets.
These Conservatives are so sick that they feel they want to play cowboys & indians.

[PavePusher]

15. And his supporting evidence for that claim?

Why did you buy his assertion?

What is the evidence for yours?

[glinda]

24. His reputation. His knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes with defundings. His

years and years of experience and watching the system. He is not a stupid man. Cuts in law enforcement have been great. Defunding of the court system bit by bit..... Courts are way behind in their cases if they can even take them.

[rl6214]

27. The whole thing comes down to "he believed"

I believe someone in a position of power that is supposedly educated and makes a statement like that is just an idiot.

[glinda]

34. They know far more than the average person because they are in the thick of it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. That's the purest argument from authority I've ever seen.

No wonder you lot are losing...

[glinda]

53. If I told you who said it you might change your mind....

[RSillsbee]

55. No it would just make it more of an argument from authority NT

[glinda]

59. DOne arguing with you. I respect this person immensely. I don't respect "all" authority either.

[friendly_iconoclast]

60. Did they offer *any* 3rd party evidence besides their assertion?

Something available publicly? If not, it's still an argument from authority, no matter how much you may respect them.

[PavePusher]

61. Really? Judges get shot often? n/t

[SteveM]

38. Hey, defunding, cuts in law enforcement does not = a desire for street shoot-outs. nt

[spin]

16. Strange that we haven't had many shoot outs in the street in Florida ...

caused by the 853,272 people who hold valid Florida concealed weapons permits.

We also have castle doctrine and "stand your ground" and "take your gun to work" laws in Florida.

According to some people there was going to be a return in Florida to the "Wild West" with shootouts at every street corner and a high noon in the middle of town. Those people have a very over active imagination.

At last check, tourists from all over the nation and the world were still coming to Florida.

[rl6214]

22. Seriously?

Someone is that twisted that they would make something like that up and share it?

[SteveM]

37. If what you say is correct, judges can be ill-informed as well...

The murder rate in this country has been falling since the mid-90s, even as the number of firearms in civilian hands has gone up by over 100,000,000. Further, "shooting it out in the streets" has been going on since the country was founded, pre-dating any gun law you would wish to name.

"cowboys & indians(SIC)?" You've been watching some old T.V. fare.

[DissedByBush]

42. I hope he doesn't get any 2nd Amendment cases

He's already told us how he'll vote.

Remember this post to force him to recuse himself if he ever gets such a case.

[TheWraith]

49. Since "shootouts in the streets" are a myth, no worries.

The image of the "wild west" with gun fights every day is a completely fictional representation. In reality, few pioneer western towns had any murders in a given year. The stories about wild gunfights were exaggerated from a few instances or made up entirely, first by writers looking to entertain audiences back east, then by Hollywood. And the stories about gunfighters themselves were mostly... made up by the gunfighters, to make themselves sound tough, or as an attempt to sell themselves as a celebrity.

[SteveM]

35. NH is just trying to catch up with "lefty" Vermont, next door. nt

[WhiteTara]

1. Soon we won't need police.

We can just have shoot outs in the street.

[PavePusher]

2. Really? Cite your evidence, please... n/t

[gravity556]

6. Right.

Because there's dozens of SYG related shootouts every day. And rivers of blood in the streets in the states with concealed carry!

[GreenStormCloud]

9. Sarcasm is not a substitute for rational discussion.

One of the reasons that we on the pro-RKBA side are winning so many legislative and judicial victories is that the anti-RKBA folks can't mount a rational argument. This law simply allows people to defend themselves anywhere they may happen to be attacked. It is a brutal fact of life that attacks happen when the cops aren't there. You don't have time to call 911 when your life is being threatened immediately. You are responsible for your own safety until the police arrive.

Prediction: You will not attempt rational discussion but will continue with snark and animated emoticons while deluding yourself into thinking you are clever.

[AtheistCrusader]

10. Like Washington State?

Hurrr

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

12. Police do a helluva lot more than "shoot/protect people". n/t

[rl6214]

7. another win for the good guys

Oh the backlash...

[Atypical Liberal]

11. The right to keep and bear arms keeps advancing.

Oh! The backlash!

[spin]

17. Unfortunately many of our other rights are endangered...

thanks to the War on Drugs and the War on Terror.

[ileus]

18. +1 once freedoms are removed they're hard to get back...as the fight for 2A rights demonstrates.

One by one freedoms were removed over a period of years, and for 15 years those rights have been fought long and hard to be restored.

[friendly_iconoclast]

19. Word. Would that others fought as hard for our other rights as they did *against* 2A ones.

Once again, the rude toters have shown the way- to those wise enough to follow their example...

[SteveM]

39. "Prohibition." Coming soon to PBS, October 2. nt

[ileus]

13. Another small win for John Q public....

[Hoopla Phil]

20. More backlash. This is great news.

[aikoaiko]

21. Fortunately, pro-rkba legislation/court decisions win out more often than anti-rkba efforts.

Life is good.

[Hoyt]

23. I guess gunners are studying law so they'll know when they can "legally" shoot in crowd/public.

Give us a summary if one of you gets it down and can draw within a nano-split second.

Out-of-staters -- Don't stay up all night figuring how this law might impact your state's right to shoot someone in a crowd, when you could walk away twiddling your gun.

[RSillsbee]

25. I'd rather walk away twiddling my gun

Than pee my pants and run screaming like a scared little girl at the sight of one

[Hoyt]

30. Guns don't scare most, it's concern for guys who like to parade around with em in Chuck E Cheeze and

who think the public is such a dangerous place in need of private defenders and more guns.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

26. Those of us who carry...

absolutely know when they can shoot in public.

Shooting in a crowd is fucking retarded and violates one of the primary safety rules.

Nobody has ever claimed a right to shoot into a crowd.

The reason your side keeps losing Hoyt is because so many of them have arguments which essentially mirror yours. They are based in nothing but ignorant fear.

[rl6214]

28. "I guess gunners are studying law so they'll know when they can "legally" shoot in crowd/public."

It's taught in every concealed carry class across the country. That makes CCL holders much more educated on the subject than you are.

"Give us a summary if one of you gets it down and can draw within a nano-split second."

That's your fantasy, not ours.

"twiddling your gun."

Is that what you call it, down in your mom's basement?

[Hoyt]

29. And I thought you guys were learning safety, not how far you can push the envelope.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

31. The only one claiming...

...we are "pushing the envelope" is you.

Since we all know your limits are nothing less than total disarmament, anything beyond that is "pushing the envelope" in your uninformed opinion.

[oneshooter]

41. You need to vary your diet, all your shit smells the same. n/t

[SteveM]

40. There are 80 million "gunners." Do you hate them all? Any others? nt

[Hoyt]

47. Don't hate them, but I do think those who can't leave home without a gun or two should

do society and themselves a favor and get a life.

[S_B_Jackson]

45. A study of the law which affects the lawful use of firearms

seems like a common sense precaution to me. The fear of firing into a crowd and needlessly endangering innocent bystanders is a serious concern both the civialian CCW-holders and law enforcement officers.

You really need to work on some new fear-mongering techniques, Hoyt, your standards are increasingly trite and cliched.

[oneshooter]

46. hoyt will keep to his standards, no matter how low they get. n/t

[Hoyt]

48. No more than those who promote more and more guns, and toting in public.

[oneshooter]

50. you are the one who continues to promote lies about CHL holders. That is pretty low. n/t

[S_B_Jackson]

51. You and Paul Helmke have been peddling the "OK Coral shootouts" and "streets running with blood"

mantra for at least 20 years, but it STILL has yet to materialize.

Meanwhile, an ever increasing number of civilians own firearms and between 2-4% of adults carry them every day. And the violent crime rates continue - your incessant whining to the contrary notwithstanding - to decline.

[Hoyt]

52. And it might be even lower if it weren't for the "gun culture" BS. 96+% don't carry and do fine.

Crime is not dropping because a few people can't leave home without a gun or two.

[S_B_Jackson]

54. Can you cite to any evidence which

supports that "what if" scenario?

[GreenStormCloud]

57. Not everyone who doesn't carry does fine.

There are over a million violent crimes every year, and thousands of murders. Most of the victims didn't carry and didn't do fine.

[DWC]

32. Common Sense is returning to NH. n/t

[X_Digger]

33. Question is..

Will all the 'chicken little's who are pissing and moaning come back a year or two later and admit that the sky isn't actually falling?

Somehow, I doubt it.

[Pullo]

44. File under BACKLASH!!! LOL! n/t

[ileus]

56. This is an example of what we should be fighting for nationwide.

[aikoaiko]

58. Oh, and in case certain folks missed it, NH Governor John Lynch is a Democrat.

:rofl: