19-Year-Old Killed ex-Girlfriend

[mikeb302000]

http://youtu.be/lx0ISUz7uII">video link

I think this is the Clark County in Ohio, maybe http://fatwhiteman.com/|Fat White Man> can help us on that. Maybe he can also help us on the reason why young people like Justin have guns and think guns are the solution to their problems.

Deeper questions are about violence against women, http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2009/07/guns-and-women.html">which of course is worse where gun availability is high.

I realize it's a touchy subject, but I think kids are influenced by many factors. I believe there is some influence from violent films, bloody video games and hard-core rap music. The First Amendment protects all those forms of expression, which means it's the parents' responsibility to limit exposure when the kids are young and to educate them when they're older.

Parents themselves have the greatest power of influence on their kids, not just in what they watch on TV and the computer, but in how they behave in society. If dad has an unusual fascination for guns, guess what junior is going to have? If dad treats mom with violence or even disparagement, guess what sonny boy will do when he gets older. It's not 100%, but it works like that. We've all seen it.

It's very difficult to break the cycle of dysfunctional family life, it's usually handed down from generation to generation. This includes gun violence and misogyny.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

[Kennah]

1. Wow, now the blogspam comes with no details, just a spew of incoherence.

unrec

[mikeb302000]

3. what "no details?" what's wrong with you?

why don't you read the fucking post and comment on its content. The young man shot and killed his girlfriend.

[Kennah]

5. I heard your blah, blah, blah, and you have no link to any news. Just blogspam.

Still unrec

[Remmah2]

17. probation officer, drugs.

A few words from the video.

[Common Sense Party]

2. Define "an unusual fascination for guns," please.

Clarity helps any discussion.

Please provide examples of what you would or would not consider "an unusual fascination for guns."

Grazie.

[mikeb302000]

4. actually I have a low threshold for that,

as you might have imagined. But you know what I'm talking about. Don't break my balls by asking for details that you already can pretty-much imagine.

To help you out a bit, I'll mention that I don't preach for total civilian disarmament, like some of my detractors say I do. Responsible gun ownership by responsible people is no problem for me. But, when you get into carrying the gun everywhere you go, or stockpiling weapons in case of that home invasion that never comes, then you're getting into gun fetishism, which is contagious especially withing the family.

[ileus]

8. is this true?

[spin]

16. And after all guns are banned than knives have to be banned ...

eventually the weak would have no chance against the strong.

If a thief enters your home you just politely give him everything of value you have and quietly submit while beats you to a pulp and rapes your wife and daughter.

Sounds like a real paradise to me. I think I'll just keep my firearms in order the level the playing field.

"“God made every man different; Sam Colt made them equal."

[cleanhippie]

18. That you for exposing his total fucking hypocrisy...and agenda.

[ileus]

20. say what?

mikeb302000 says:
February 8, 2011 at 1:25 PM

I don’t believe in compromise. This isn’t a business deal where you give and take. This is a debate about what’s right and what’s wrong. There can be no compromise in that.

Our questions are about life and death, do guns really do more good than harm, or not? Where are you going to compromise with something like that.

Now, that’s not to say there’s no place for open-mindedness. All who are honest, despite strong opinions, should strive for the open mind. I know I have one (you should be smiling right now. there’s always room for humor).

[ileus]

22. and

mikeb302000 Said,
December 20th, 2010 at 2:26 am
Allow me to repeat my assertion in a different way. Most of you guys have friends or relatives who you know are not fit to own guns. You do nothing about it for several reasons, you feel it’s none of your business, or you feel it’s their right to own guns in spite of whatever disqualifying problems they may have. Maybe you even have mixed feelings about it but inertia takes over, you do nothing.

That’s where you’re complicit.

To clarify for you contentious guys who like to purposely miss my point, but disqualifying problems I mean all those things I itemized on my post The Famous 10% (no link provided because you know where to find it if you want and I’d hate to prove Sean the mindreader right that all I’m looking for is traffic).

I’ll change that “most of you guys” to all of you guys. Every one of you knows some gun owner who drinks too much for his own good, or who flies off the handle showing signs of anger problems. You justify not intervening because maybe, let’s hope, it never results in a bad scene. How about the prescription medication guys, the ones who’ve had back problems or depression and got hooked on the medicine. And let’s not forget the accident prone.

Of course some of you go much further, you have friends or relatives with violent criminal pasts who seem to have straightened out. What are you going to do, play cop and criticize their desire to exercise a natural human right like everybody else. Of course not. That’s why you’re all complicit in this.

[ileus]

23. good stuff...

http://en.paperblog.com/castle-doctrine-at-work-in-texas-25663/

[ileus]

24. lying criminal???

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2009/10/mikeb302000_lying_criminal.html


say it ain't so bro.

[Iktomiwicasa]

26. Ouch

that's gonna hurt...

[rl6214]

39. AAAAahahahahahahaha

A fucking liar and a criminal calling for gun control.

Ain't that rich.

[Atypical Liberal]

42. Great investigative work. Great quote here:

"By his very own words and admission, MikeB302000 is a self-professed criminal – a criminal who, apparently, disobeyed the very laws he supposedly supports, and wants more of. Furthermore, MikeB302000 has repeatedly and incessantly lied and covered up about this illegal activity in the past, and is only now admitting to it because some folks were able to dig up the original, damning admission. Could it be that “the woman with the earrings” is so obessed with punishing law-abiding American citizens for owning firearms because he knows that if he were to focus on the criminals, he would be focusing on himself? Could it be that our resident bigot wants to drag us all down to his own level, rather than face up to his own culpability and criminal nature? After all, if he forces all of us to be in the muck with him, we cannot exactly call him out for being dirty (or so he believes)…"

This is going to become my new sig.

[Common Sense Party]

32. Boom.

Another fascist bites the dust.

[Katya Mullethov]

33. That there is what they call a "Traumatic Bifurcation "

Reckon we better call housekeeping before somebody slips and falls .

[Iktomiwicasa]

34. +1 n/t

[Atypical Liberal]

41. Thanks for pointing out his true agenda in black and blue. nt

[Iktomiwicasa]

12. I'd much prefer that the details...

...were documented and provided than just "imagined".

[spin]

14. What exactly do you consider a "stockpile" of firearms ...

Do you have a number for how many firearms you can own before you qualify as having a stockpile?

Why is it a bad idea for a person like me who has taken the time and spent the money to obtain a concealed weapo0ns permit to actually carry the weapon everywhere that it is legal?

Is a bowler who owns several bowling balls suffering from a fetish? A golfer who owns four sets of clubs? A fisherman who owns ten rods and reels? A person who loves to do stuff himself and owns five power saws? A knife collector who owns 50 knives?

Where do you draw the line and what exactly makes you qualified to draw that line?

[gejohnston]

21. Thank you Joyce Brothers

Who was a pop shrink that held your view on guns, but only she and her husband had a collection at least as large as mine. Problem is you have preached for that using undefined terms like responsible and stockpiling.

Can you show a place where violent crime regardless of weapon lowered because of gun laws? Since it has not had the desired effect in UK, Canada, Jamaica, Mexico, South Africa, any place in South America, and Russia; what makes you think it will be different here? If additional laws do nothing or gets worse, what will you do then?

[gravity556]

29. Wow, mikey, seems like you're a hypocrite

and a criminal yourself. Why do you seem to have such a problem with people who own guns illegally when you yourself admit to doing so?

"To sum up, I did Parris Island Marine Corp training when I was 17, in the summer of 1970. I didn’t have to go to Viet Nam, thank goodness. After the military I owned guns both legally and illegally over a period of about 15 years. I was never passionate about them back then and over the last couple of decades have become strongly anti-gun, especially since I started writing this blog."

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2009/10/mikeb302000_lying_criminal.html

Seems you're part of the problem. So, are you an expat because you don't want to face charges for your crimes? Neighbor maybe turn you in? Ducking responsibility, maybe?

So why the self loathing, mike? You were a gun owner, though not a lawful one (imagine that, part of the problem on both sides of the issue), so I can't identify with you, since I'm not a criminal.

I highly recommend reading the link, folks. Very interesting.

[GreenStormCloud]

37. Wow. Great find.

So Mikey should know from experience that criminals will have guns despite the laws, because he personally had guns illegally. One wonders what laws he broke. Bookmarked that website for future reference.

[Common Sense Party]

31. I wouldn't even think of breaking your balls, amico.

I'm not that imaginative. I was merely hoping you might elucidate.

So, you WOULD classify concealed carry as an "unusual fascination" for guns?

[ileus]

7. You know...anyone that owns a gun for self defense and tends to be unEuropean...

in the way they are allowed to use firearms.

[ileus]

6. Why don't you ever post in other threads here?

[jmg257]

9. What's my opinion on why some kids may be prone to violence while some aren't?

Who gives a shit??

Unless that is your specific field where it might actually matter even a wee bit, the best (and only?) thing you can do is be prepared to deal with those who ARE prone to violence when they want to express that violence against you and yours.

Of course THAT is what having the choice about being armed for self-defense is all about...nice to see you may be finally getting it!

[rrneck]

10. It's a teaser...

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. This brought 'em running.

:thumbsup:

[cleanhippie]

19. Brought you running too!

:rofl:

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. You bet!

It's like a free trip to the circus.

[cleanhippie]

27. It sure is!

You guys certainly know how to entertain.

How do you get so many clowns in that car, anyway?

[Remmah2]

13. You know what's funny?

When an international professionally funded blogger/activist gets debunked in less than 60 minutes by a bunch of amateurs on just about every blog site they post. The members of this sub-forum are incredibly informed, resourceful and well educated.

[Iktomiwicasa]

15. Funded?

By who, exactly?

[jmg257]

28. Professionally funded? Now THAT is a poor return on someone's money! nt

[petronius]

30. It's not rocket surgery to understand that children are influenced by a

range of external factors, nor that parents are the largest of these, nor that none of these factors are strictly deterministic. However, none of these general observations are relevant to this forum. And unless you are privy to details of this Justin's childhood, they're not relevant to him either.

It's been my observation that gun-owning parents are generally quite careful about safety, and instilling respect for guns and proper behavior in their kids. That's far more the norm than the gun-flinging wife-beating stereotype you apparently subscribe to. In fact, there was a quite engaging thread just a few days ago about the handing down of firearms between generations; you should search it out, it will provide some badly-needed insight.

Of course, not all kids have gun-owning and/or responsible parents, which is why most pro-gun-rights DUers in this forum advocate for basic firearms information being presented in school, among other common-sense educational approaches...

[Iktomiwicasa]

35. Where did Mikey go???

[RSillsbee]

36. I think he bailed when his illegal gun owning past came to light NT

[Iktomiwicasa]

38. LOL

[Atypical Liberal]

40. And yet MORE UNSUBSTANTIATED SPECULATION.

Parents themselves have the greatest power of influence on their kids, not just in what they watch on TV and the computer, but in how they behave in society. If dad has an unusual fascination for guns, guess what junior is going to have? If dad treats mom with violence or even disparagement, guess what sonny boy will do when he gets older. It's not 100%, but it works like that. We've all seen it.

It's very difficult to break the cycle of dysfunctional family life, it's usually handed down from generation to generation. This includes gun violence and misogyny.

There is absolutely nothing in this article, nor any of the other 3 news articles I read about Dustin Hatfield, that give any insight whatsoever into his parents.

There is nothing to indicate that his father even owned guns or that he hated women.

The entire premise of this post is, yet again, based on completely unsubstantiated speculation.