Chicago ordered to pay $399,950 for McDonald (2nd amendment),case

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My only regrets are that the award wasn't twice that, and that it's not coming out of Emperor Daleys pocket.

My hope is, that the City of Chicago will be financially ruined for it's continual, abusive and disgraceful licensing scheme that was enacted

shortly after the McDonald decision.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=481184

http://ia700409.us.archive.org/23/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.221219/gov.uscourts.ilnd.221219.docket.html

Maybe... just maybe, other citys and communities will take notice, smarten the fuck up and stop with the bull shit.

[Riftaxe]

1. Ignore constitutional law

and pay the price, shame it's coming from the taxpayers and not the politician's personal fortunes.

I suspect the usual suspects with their reading comprehension disorders will be along shortly :)

[oneshooter]

2. I guess the new mayor will have to raise taxes, again. n/t

[spin]

3. Nah, he'll just cut back on police and if the crime rate rises ...

he'll blame it on guns. It's an old and proven tactic that works well in areas where people are unfamiliar with firearm ownership and feel that only criminals and people who are paranoid or suffer from mental issues own firearms.

In fact Rahm Emanuel already plans to cut the police department budget.

Chicago Police Union: Rahm Emanuel's Call For Massive Departmental Cuts A 'Stunt'
First Posted: 9/1/11 06:26 PM ET Updated: 9/1/11 06:26 PM ET

The Chicago Fraternal Order of Police on Wednesday dismissed Mayor Rahm Emanuel's call for massive cuts -- reportedly to the tune of $190 million of the Chicago Police Department's $1.3 billion budget -- as a "stunt."

Union spokesman Patrick Camden said the department is already drastically short of being fully staffed and, therefore, the numbers the mayor has thrown out "have no substance to them," as reported by WBEZ. Emanuel has pledged that the budget cuts will not impact the number of police officers working on the street.

***snip***

FOP president Michael Shields had even harsher words for the mayor, according to the Chicago Tribune. Shields said the move was indicative of "the Emanuel shuffle" that does not align with the new mayor's campaign promise to add 1,000 new officers to the streets of Chicago. Instead, the number of police officers has actually decreased slightly since the mayor took office this year.

***snip***

"There is too much management on the Chicago Police Department. As you see the numbers in the rank and file shrinking, you don't see those numbers reflective on the command structure as well," Shields said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/chicago-police-union-resp_n_945787.html

[RSillsbee]

4. Fucking rude toters

Always wanting to tote their evil killing machines in places like Chuck E. Cheese or Chicago. Who the fuck do they think they are thinking the second amendment applies to them? Don't they know that decent people piss their pants and run, screaming like scared, little , girls at the sight of a gun ?

[ileus]

5. always strapping a gun or two to their bodies and intimidating society with their sick addiction

[RSillsbee]

6. Always thinking w/ their baser instincts

ETA
And wanting to shoot special loads outof their strap ons

[gejohnston]

7. just two?

I have to have at least both of my pearl handled SAs in a double holster and a derringer for back up.

[ileus]

8. do you have any special accessories for your BUG?

maybe a laser and light to ambush people in the dark???

[gejohnston]

33. I would but

can't find any that fit without accessory rails, something cowboy guns don't have. I do have special loads for it. I have heat seeking silver bullets for it and the six-guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. The chances that any prohibitionist here will help Chicago financially?

Slim to none...and Slim just left town.

I've noticed the two obvious things that they tend not do: 1) Provide protection for others, or 2) give any of their own money
to promote gun control.

[DonP]

10. Don't write that check yet ... there wil be more bills to come for that tab

Since Daley and his meat puppet aldercritters pretty much ignored the ruling and passed a new, but still restrictive set of gun ownership laws, the bills are going to keep on coming.

My favorite new Chicago Daley/Rahm rule is you must pass an approved course, at an approved firing range, but the same law bans all firing ranges in city limits. The tab for Ezell v. Chicago and other suits are still coming.

[Hoyt]

11. There ya go -- you want to ruin a city where millions live because they restrict guns. Jeeeez.

Well a $400,000 award won't ruin anyone. That's the cost of a few weeks in the hospital for one innocent person shot by a supposedly law-abiding gun toter.

I hope the city continues playing tough with those who want to fill the streets with folks toting a gun or two and playing judge, jury, jesus and executioner.

[jmg257]

12. I don't think the mayor really wants his city's criminals to be judge and jury,

But considering he promotes them being the only ones armed besides LE, it is the sad reality.

[DonP]

14. So you think it's OK to ignore a SCOTUS decision if you don't like it?

How very, very "George Wallace" of you. You must be so proud of the company you keep.

Perhaps you'd like to "stand in the door" of local gun stores to bar people from exercising their 2nd amendmeny rights too?

Of course that didn't work out too well for your hero George either.

By the time Daley/Rahm are through the bill will be much higher, easily into 7 figures of tax money supporting a lost proposition. But feel free to mail Rahm a check to help out with your cause.

Oh, wait, you gun control people just talk, you never actually do anything about it and certainly never spend your own money on your so called support for the issue.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. I'm not okay...

...with tax money funding this debacle. I think it should apportioned PERSONALLY among the city legislators who...

- wrote,
- introduced,
- voted in favor of,
- campaigned for or
- work against efforts to repeal

...those related laws found to be unconstitutional. In true Democratic spirit, this apportionment should be made by popular vote (yes, I know what that implies in Chicago) of the citizens.

:party:

Said legislators should also become, as of high noon on the following Friday, persona non grata within the city and be forced to resign any positions of public trust, salaries, offices and pensions and leave the city limits...

...by sundown. ;)

[Hoyt]

20. Well let's apportion cost of gun crime/oversight to those who vote/promote more guns in society.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

24. re: Well let's...

...NOT as it's rather like you to get these things backward. ;)

[Hoyt]

16. "George Wallace?" Why do you mention that gun toting/worshiping bigot?

Apparently, there is some disagreement among legal scholars what all that means. What I've read indicates it's a pretty narrow ruling. In any event, Chicago seems to be thumbing their nose at what you guy's think/hope the Court's ruling mean.

[DonP]

18. Because you think alike

Just like you, Wallace didn't agree with a SCOTUS decision either.

But unlike you, at least he had the wherewithal to actually stand up for what he believed in (stupid as it was) and stood in the schoolhouse door to block implmentation of the SCOTUS decision. At least until armed troops ordered him to move at the point of a bayonet.

"Narrow ruling", really? I've read about five articles in law reviews so far on the McDonald case, including reviews by "Right wing nuts" like Tribe and Dereshowitz. I couldn't find one that considered the incorporation of an amendment from the BoR to be a "narrow ruling".

Yes, Chicago is thumbing their nose at the ruling. That's why the meter is still runing with several other cases working their way through the courts. They lost McDonald and Ezell, with more to come.

Let me guess, you won't be contributing anything to the city's defense, right?

[Hoyt]

19. Just like "Wallace" and his cohorts, you guys covet guns. Wallace was a racist who allowed guns to

used to oppress people, and not just by official law enforcement.

Yes, it was a narrow ruling. Fortunately, if the SC's mix changes, there might be some rulings that really make gunners pucker. I mean, this expansionist view of guns is not in society's best interest, not even your individual interests.

[ileus]

21. Now freedom can be enjoyed by all....the 2A is for everyone. Wrongs have been righted...

[Hoyt]

22. Let's make it "keep your arms at home where the belong . . . . .until the revolution."

By golly, if I can't carry a sword or my machete in public, guns dang sure shouldn't be allowed.

[jmg257]

25. That is weird - swords were definitely arms covered by the militia observation

made in the 2nd. You could think the right to them would be as secure as the right to firearms - obviously they are not...

Guess you have to sue somebody!

[ileus]

27. How is one supposed to protect their family until then?

Let's keep criminals out of public first....


as I always say Safety First.

[DonP]

23. He had shit to do with guns you idiot

He was a bigot about one ruling you are about another. Both of you ignore a ruling because you don't like it. You have a lot in common with him.

Try repeating this phrase, "Gun control now, gun control forever!" and see how it feels. Pretty natural for you huh?

Yeah, you sound more and more like him every day here.

FYI - "Narrow", as a descriptor of a SCOTUS ruling has nothing to do with the vote count genius, it has to do with the scope and level of scrutiny defined by the ruling SCOTUS made. Incorporation of a constitutional amendment is about as big a ruling as they get. But I'm sure you know all about that, right?

If you're waiting for it to be overturned, along with Heller, you'll likely be dead and long gone forgotten before another case likely comes up on the issue.

But on the bright side, what you think about a ruling doesn't really matter, does it? It's now black letter law with increasingly strict scrutiny being applied to any and all gun control laws.

Besides all you ever do is talk about gun control, you never actually do shit about it. That's why you can be easily ignored and used as a source of humor.

BTW, your posts are making less and less sense lately. Better have mom check your meds again.

[Hoyt]

26. You obviously never encountered one of Wallace's buddies back in the 50s/60s. They were armed.

And they used their friggin guns to oppress, not unlike many right wing toters today.

[DonP]

28. The Deacons for Defense had guns too - want to disarm them?

[Hoyt]

31. I want to see everyone disarmed in public. The public is not the place for guns.

[DonP]

32. Well, you let us know when all the criminals are disarmed and we'll talk about it then.

Until then, you are a short sighted idealist who somehow thinks that disarming the law abiding will have some impact on crime.

Idealists are dangerous when well meaning but stupid people allow them to get their hands on the levers of power in society because they never think of the unintended consequences.

[Hoyt]

37. Learn to protect yourself without a gun. If they won't let me carry a sword/machette, why should

allow guns in public. Members of the "gun culture" are dangerous too. As are the gunners' best friends -- members of the T-Party, who are the biggest toting political group in America.

[jmg257]

38. I have good skills...

like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills.


You want to carry a sword in public? I say go for it!

[Hoyt]

44. I will not carry my sword because I realize it bothers some/most people and is not good for society.

Too bad gun toters cannot be as rational.

[jmg257]

49. Why? Would you be whacking people with it?

I could understand them making people uncomfortable - not exactly easy to conceal a sword!

Society has passed judgment on people parading about with swords in their pantaloons and found them...wanting.

Sad day for sword owners.

[Hoyt]

50. But some irrational fool with a gun or two strapped to their bodies is OK?

[jmg257]

52. Certainly not - irrational fools should not be allowed in public at all.

If they can't be trusted with guns, imagine them doing really dangerous things like driving cars, walking across streets, and raising kids!

Scary!

[PavePusher]

60. You must be thinking of this guy:

We got pics, show yours....

[PavePusher]

61. Wait maybe it was her:

or these folks:



Ooooo, it was them:



Him?:



Her?:



Oh, wait, it must be this guy:



Or this one:



I've got it!:






Damn, I'm so confused....

You know what, I only found one picture of a real person in public as a Citizen Civilian who seemed to be "strapped", and he was doing it as a political statement:




So, got pics?

[PavePusher]

53. Why is being prepared for self-defense "not good for society"?

You've never explained that one.

And why should I care that some people are made uncomfortable by my ability to defend myself? The problem is theirs, not mine.

[ileus]

41. Your CCW / CHP should cover those two choices.

[PavePusher]

43. Feel free to bring the topic to a court.

Actually, here in Arizona, I think I can carry a sword if I want to.

http://www.knifelawsonline.com/knifehome/StateLawsContent/tabid/57/Default.aspx (registration required)

Yep, looks like I'm right.

Feel free to come here and carry a sword around all day. I caution you that it is a real pain in the ass though, much less convenient than a gun, and far less effective than a gun unless you have years of training and a lot of luck.

[MicaelS]

34. You are living in a fantasy world of your own making...

Law enforcement in this country will NEVER be disarmed. You did say EVERYONE, didn't you? The US Secret Service will never be disarmed. I doubt ANY Federal Agency that has armed members will ever be disarmed.

[Hoyt]

36. Not talking about LE, CIA or military. Christ, do we have to spell everything out to you gunners.

I'm talking about regular old people, even those who think they are so well trained because they've been posing, practicing their draw, shooting silhouette targets, buying the latest and greatest weapons, fretting over every tree because their might be a mugger behind it, etc.

[DonP]

39. Only LE, Military et. al. with firearms? - hmmm, almost sounds like a police state?

Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?

I must have missed the post with your solution to disarming the criminals, or will banning all firearms from the general public "eventually" resolve that too?

And everyone should just learn to defend themselves without firearms, even the old and those with disabilities, should just learn to duke it out with criminals.

And if they don't choose to learn Senior Citizen Kung Fu what? Just stay home with the doors and windows locked all the time?

Yeah, that makes about as much sense as your usual posts.

Thank heavens you're reduced to making rambling posts on the internet and have no real authority of any kind to reshape the world into your version of a Utopia.

Just keep yapping away and show your usual level of support for real gun control - which is nothing beyond hot air.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

40. So you want...

...a country in which senior citizens are forced, by law, to be nothing but prey?

Or, putting aside your clumsy grammar, you want only the state to be armed?

Well, if you want that my friend, by all means - leave the US. Most of the rest of the world is like that - at least on paper.

[Hoyt]

45. I'm a senior citizen and don't feel like "prey." In fact, anyone who does has a serious problem

that should preclude them from even owning a gun. Can you imagine if deer were armed? -- hunting would not be so popular.

Besides, who wants a bunch of folks only a step away from Aricept toting guns. Almost as bad as the younger folks who think they are modern cowboys, and armed boy scouts.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

47. Not everyone....

...lives the life you do hoyt. Some live in not so great areas. Others, are still in full control of their faculties until well into their 90s.

[Hoyt]

48. And some folks are just addicted to guns and all that goes with them.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

54. So what if they are?

As long as they don't use them illegally, I don't much give a fuck what someone does with their own money. Really, you shouldn't either.

[jmg257]

51. Armed deer? Nothing to fear there - they couldn't pull the trigger - no opposable thumbs.

Besides, how would get their hooves in the trigger guard???

[PavePusher]

55. Wow, you just hate everyone, it seems. n/t

[MicaelS]

42. Because only Law Enforcement..

are trained well enough to safely and properly use guns. That's what you Gun Prohibitionists tell us. Case in point.. the Seattle PD.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43567848/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/

The Seattle Police Department is apologizing for an assault rifle left unattended on the back of a patrol car Monday night, and has launched an investigation into the matter.

First published by The Stranger, Nick Gonzales snapped a picture last night of the menacing-looking rifle on the trunk of a Seattle Police car. It was around 9 p.m. and the car was parked outside the Roosevelt Hotel, near Pine and 7th Avenue, with no police officers in sight, said Gonzales.

In addition, after an officer got back into the patrol car, it was driven away with the rifle still on the trunk. A woman also saw the rifle and followed the car to try to get the officer's attention.

Gonzales said he flagged down two more SPD officers on bicycles to tell them what he saw. As he described, they were "shocked as hell."

Notice the MAGAZINE is in the rifle.

Local news http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Cops-investigate-rifle-left-on-back-of-squad-car-1444085.php

The rifle mishap isn't the first for Seattle police. In Dec. 2004, then-Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske has his gun stolen from his unmarked car parked in downtown Seattle.

The rifle incident comes at a time of increasing scrutiny for the Police Department.

The U.S. Department of Justice is investigating Seattle police after the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups called for an investigation into a possible pattern or practice of unnecessary use of force, especially against minorities.

[Hoyt]

46. I know, you are well trained at the fine art of shooting people.

[ileus]

29. name one toter of any type today...

[one-eyed fat man]

17. Daley and his security detail

Daley calls retirement bodyguard request ‘appropriate’

Chicago Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed reported this week that Daley has requested around-the-clock bodyguard protection — and at least two vehicles at his disposal — to provide security for himself and his wife in political retirement.

Fraternal Order of Police President Mike Shields called the mayor’s request ill-timed when a two-year police hiring slowdown has left the Chicago Police Department more than 2,300 officers-a-day short of authorized strength, counting vacancies and officers on medical leave and limited duty.

Of course they HAD to fight McDonald! Why would some retired working stiff think he had a right to defend himself in his own home? It's not like he was a celebrity, or his life is of any importance, unlike "Hizzonor" the mayor.

Anyone whose life was worth defending would have a police security detail assigned to them. The worst of it is the city of Chicago will likely piss away more than $400,000 every year paying the salaries of the five cops assigned to provide the Daley his 24/7 ARMED security.

http://41stwardcitizens.blogspot.com/2011/09/daleys-body-guards-cut-in-half.html

Updated: September 13, 2011 6:06AM

Finally....


Sounds like the Mayor is deflecting some of the negative press he has been receiving with cutting Daley's CPD detail - something that never should have happened in the first place. No other former mayor in the US has a guard detail....

Mayor Rahm Emanuel is cutting in half — from six active Chicago Police officers to three — the bodyguard detail that accompanied former Mayor Richard M. Daley into retirement.
Starting Thursday, Daley and his wife, Maggie, will be protected by the scaled-down detail of three uniformed officers while the other three officers are returned to street duty, sources said Monday.

There ya go -- you want to ruin a city where millions live because they restrict guns. Jeeeez.

No, I want to ruin the scumbags who run that city.

Finally, conclusive proof that Osama bin Laden is dead. Last week, he registered to vote in Chicago. Twice.

[Katya Mullethov]

30. They should make 'em pass the boot at stoplights

Until they come up with the bread . His primos made a lot more than that off'n all those suits anyway .


Have ya heard the latest ? Today we have an ATF agent purchasing and delivering rifles directly to smugglers .
The new ATF slogan is gonna be ." 30 MINUTES OR LESS OR IT"S FREE !!! "

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Fuck that moron.

He can hire his own security. Bush too.

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[ileus]

13. This is what happens when a minority decides the rules according to their feelings.

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[gejohnston]

58. I would

[PavePusher]

59. +1 n/t