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mikeb302000
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:26 AM Original message |
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:29 AM Original message |
exactly! your safety and mine are secondary in gunner-world |
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hack89
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
24. The funny thing is that your world is steadily getting safer. nt |
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PavePusher
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
32. Cite, please. n/t |
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Remmah2
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
33. And just how would you propose enforcing this w/the gang bangers, drug dealers and bullies? |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. so your idea of demonstrating your point is to compare ALL playground equipment |
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Remmah2
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Actually you stepped in it. |
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rl6214
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
37. WTF is a "gunner-world"? |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. You don't have it, because you're not a U.S. citizen. |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. everyone has those rights - not just U.S. citizens |
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. these are unalienable rights - not consititutional |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That would be news to many countries. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Heh, you think Constitutional rights aren't blatantly disregarded in the USA? |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. No, they certainly are. |
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Fumesucker
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Well, that certainly excuses the disregard of Constitutional rights in the USA.. |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. violation of natural rights is not new nor rare |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I kind of find it odd that you speak of "natural rights." |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I believe they are natural rights - applying to everyone |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. If they are so "natural" then why do so many governments not recognize them? |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. "governments" believe they have control over all individual rights |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Well, I kind of like the rights we are supposed to have here in this country. |
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DrDan
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Here is a basis for universal human rights from the U.N. |
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PavePusher
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
94. Noteably short on a right to self-defense and access to effective tools for same. |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. damn, you're right |
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Wed Nov-09-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. A sad state of affairs. |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. sad |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. your feeble... |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
101. the term "natural rights" |
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
79. Correct - they are. |
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RSillsbee
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Wed Nov-09-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
77. Hate to say this but, Dr Dan is 100% right |
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
99. agreed |
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baldguy
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Last time I looked the Constitution didn't limit it's protections to American citizens. |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Sure, within U.S. jurisdiction. |
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Flatulo
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. That's a bizarre notion - are you suggesting that the US Constitution protects |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
81. now read that slowly |
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Flatulo
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Wed Nov-09-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. Sorry, but I was replying to baldguy, who stated |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. um, sorry, I had figured that out |
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Flatulo
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. 'm sure British subjects will be delighted to hear that they too benefit |
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iverglas
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Thu Nov-10-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #103 |
115. how about British prepositions? |
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
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gejohnston
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
43. it protects all persons in |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
46. You are correct. That is why my state has an Alien Firearms License for legal residents. |
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baldguy
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
47. Morons missing the whole point of the Op |
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No we get the point he's trying to make |
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jmg257
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I think the OP referred to such unfounded fears as |
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
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PavePusher
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
91. No, he doesn't actually. |
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liberal N proud
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Really? |
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LAGC
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You tell me. |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
100. "Did all those Iraqi men, women, and children killed in the war have those rights?" |
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. kinda makes you wonder what was in the minds of the italian founding fathers. |
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ileus
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
13. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are what the 2A is all about. |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You were wrong then, and wrong now. The OP has a good point. |
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rl6214
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
44. The constitution protects rights, not grants them so the property |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Not true -- but I've heard same thing from Hannity and Limbaugh among others. |
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rl6214
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Why are you listening to Hannity and LImbaugh? |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Hannity like most right wing bigots believes "gun control is using both hands." |
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rl6214
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You must not have a whole lot of experience... |
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gejohnston
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Hannity is one of the few |
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ileus
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Wed Nov-09-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Sandbags are better....or a lead slead. |
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jmg257
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Sure looks like the framers thought the rights existed before the constitution and BOR... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I don't pay much attention to slave owners, those who prohibited women form voting or |
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. So you don't pay much attention at all to the Constitution or BoR? |
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jmg257
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. "Back then ..." Back then, he, and his family, would have been eaten by bears. nt |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. I do pay attention to things like "a well regulated militia . . . . ." that you guys always forget. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Like i said... |
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rl6214
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Wed Nov-09-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Yeah, well, that's already been decided, just not to your liking |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. We don't forget it. |
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jmg257
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
85. I never forget...can I have my M16 now? |
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. And yet, you've not been able to provide any evidence, historical, contextual or grammatical.... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. I believe in the ACLU's position -- and it is that of many legal scholars. |
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gejohnston
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Thu Nov-10-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. which is inconsistent with |
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DissedByBush
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
105. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Of course not, if guns are an essential part of your life. |
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Thu Nov-10-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I'd have to guess that you think about guns more than this whole forum combined. |
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Fri Nov-11-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #107 |
122. Oh yes, rights are dependent on what the majority does |
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Thu Nov-10-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
113. That too was written by slave owners, as you say. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. That may be true, and it may even be true that there is no such thing as natural rights, |
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gejohnston
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. not all of them owned slaves |
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Wed Nov-09-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Thomas Paine was very strongly abolitionist; he supported equal rights for black people. n/t |
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
104. The first woman elected to public office in America |
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Thu Nov-10-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #104 |
110. this is true |
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Wed Nov-09-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Slave ownership was normal at that time. |
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Hoyt
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Is that why you tote, because others do? Hardly reason to own slaves or screw women & NAmericans. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. No hoyt, I carry... |
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iverglas
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Thu Nov-10-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
121. no, it was the norm; that does not make it normal |
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
92. So, you'll notice that we've fixed most of their shortcomings... |
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mikeb302000
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Fri Nov-11-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
125. thanks Hoyt, that's the best comment of the bunch. nt |
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Fri Nov-11-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. If that's 'the best', why would you care what would befuddle the Founders? |
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Remmah2
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
15. Do you have children? nt |
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Wed Nov-09-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. .. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
70. And that about sums it up. nt |
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jmg257
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Wed Nov-09-11 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
20. To me, "Life and Liberty..." includes the natural right of |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
89. oh, c'mon now |
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jmg257
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. No real argument from me, I was responding to the OP... |
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Fri Nov-11-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #89 |
123. But they ARE in charge of deciding how to do that. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
21. bwa - hahahaha! |
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
27. Hey Mikey, |
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
30. Isn't alcohol a greater threat to your "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," |
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. Let's recap: |
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mikeb302000
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Fri Nov-11-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
126. no, there's no conflation |
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Wed Nov-09-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
34. A legitimate post. Well done. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
39. First of all you have to live here to bitch about whether you can |
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mikeb302000
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Fri Nov-11-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
127. you don't know anything about me. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
41. Interesting.... |
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iverglas
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Wed Nov-09-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
88. how's that constitutional challenge to speed limits working out? |
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
50. Oh, there's something the founding fathers wouldn't recognize all right. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. I'm always dumbstruck at that mindset. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
56. You sound like you scare easily |
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
64. It isn't all about you, Mike. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
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Wed Nov-09-11 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
67. No pursuit of safety, though. |
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Wed Nov-09-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
97. "First of all, your desire for safety does not trump freedom." |
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Thu Nov-10-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #97 |
111. Actually, people do that shit all the time here. |
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Thu Nov-10-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
116. but I replied to what was said |
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Thu Nov-10-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Agreed |
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Thu Nov-10-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. my typo |
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Thu Nov-10-11 07:09 AM Response to Reply #97 |
112. nobody was ever killed by an advertisement |
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Thu Nov-10-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #112 |
117. gosh, I wonder |
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Thu Nov-10-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #97 |
114. Funny that you mention snake oil. |
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Thu Nov-10-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. 'And yet "nobody was ever killed by an advertisement".' |
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Fri Nov-11-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
128. your idea of "FREEDOM" is not the same as mine. nt |
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Wed Nov-09-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
76. Simple solution |
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Wed Nov-09-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
84. That's nice. |
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Fri Nov-11-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
124. *snort* |
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