Police: officer shoots at officer, goes for pizza

[Tejas]

Police: officer shoots at officer, goes for pizza

http://www.local10.com/news/Police-officer-shoots-at-officer-goes-for-pizza/-/1717324/4737416/-/oi4ji5/-/index.html

A Lauderhill police officer fired 10 shots at another officer, but missed, said police.

The officer who was shot at was working an off-duty detail at the time, but police said she was in a marked cruiser and in uniform. The shooter, Officer Kristopher Bieger, pulled up in his personal car and quickly fired 10 shots at the other police officer, and then took off.
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After a three hour manhunt, Davie police and the SWAT team arrested the shooter at 14800 Griffin Road, inside a pizza shop.

"He ordered two slices," said Sam Karia, a witness. "He was buggin' out on the phone. Actually someone heard him crying on the phone to somebody."




I see no mention in the article of return fire from the intended victim(?)

[mvccd1000]

1. What's up with Florida cops this month?

First the speeder, now the shooter. They're having a rough month!

[Bosso 63]

2. I guess he worked up an appetite.

[iverglas]

3. facts ...

Local 10 sources say that the shooting stems from a domestic situation between the two officers; allegedly, the officer who was targeted had broken up with Bieger on Friday. Police would only confirm that the two worked the same shift and knew each other.

... Bieger has been on the force for five years and already was the subject of an internal investigation. Police have not said what the circumstances are surrounding that matter.

He has been suspended without pay. The gun he used was not his service weapon; it was his personal firearm.

Personal car, personal firearm, personal dispute ...

More good argument for not allowing anybody and their dog, including cops anytime other than when on assigned duties, to possess handguns, let alone wander around with them.

I don't think I've ever heard of a cop in Canada doing something like this. We get assholes pepper-spraying demonstrators and tasering distressed air travellers, but going around shooting people in their off time ... nah.

Do we suppose this one had a permit to carry a concealed weapon? Or was he just automatically allowed to do that 24/7 because he was a cop?

[Tejas]

4. Limit off-duty LEO's to cellphones, that how they do it in Canada?

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. You should run for public office.

[iverglas]

5. we dont "limit" police or other peace officers to anything

We don't permit them to wander around with firearms on their own time, any more than we permit anybody else to.

They're not more equal than anybody else, after all, right?

It's such a funny world here. Democrats are bad and Republicans are good, cops are bad when they're on duty but as soon as they're off duty they they gotta have gunz just in case ... well, I don't know what, but just in case.

You should run for public office.

I have, thank you, more than once. In a riding where my party had no hope of winning in those elections, but I got us more of the vote than we'd ever had. Patience is a necessity in electoral politics, eh? This parliament, we're the official opposition.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. In the US, police officers are granted federal concealed permits, and universal carry

with special dispensation, that I cannot obtain.

[iverglas]

14. yes, you know, I actually know these things

I was vaguely wondering whether off-duty cops in Florida in particular need permits, or just get to cart guns around at will.

[gejohnston]

15. just cart guns at will

or required to by dept policy.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. Might be a miscommunication here but...

Florida, sadly, is a part of the United States.

[gejohnston]

17. Hey, I'm still stuck here

but it could be better.

[iverglas]

18. but soon it will be gone ...

I was thinking of that federal thing as covering cops when off duty in somebody else's state. Duh. Of course it does that, but I suppose it must do it in their own state as well. ;)

[YllwFvr]

26. federal permits?

and universal carry? I havent heard of this, can you elaborate? I know of LEOSA, but even with that my dept suggests very strongly I dont count on that to protect me. They suggest I dont carry into other states. LEOSA compliance seems to be extremely complicated. I havent been issued or informed of any federal permit or universal carry. I do meet the exemptions to my states carry licensing laws however for being a cop. Not that it mattered, I do have a carry permit, and carried for years prior to becoming a LEO.

I live near the NY border and have wished I could carry there when I visit my father, but even being a LEO I wont risk trying it while armed.

[TPaine7]

9. Another "good argument" from iverglas...

An officer who would shoot at another officer while off duty using his personal weapon wouldn't dare use his duty weapon during working hours. Perish the thought. That would be unprofessional. He might lose his reputation.

More good argument for not allowing anybody and their dog, including cops anytime other than when on assigned duties, to possess handguns, let alone wander around with them.

That's a really good "good argument" iverglas. Do you do parties?

[iverglas]

10. do I do parties?

Apparently not as often nor as early in the day ... or late into the night ... as you do.

An officer who would shoot at another officer while off duty using his personal weapon wouldn't dare use his duty weapon during working hours. Perish the thought. That would be unprofessional. He might lose his reputation.

Do you actually hear voices in your head saying these things to you? Then you just engage in some kind of automatic writing thing and out it comes on everybody's monitor?

I find it interesting that the incidents dutifully reported here of cops behaving badly with firearms in situations unrelated to their duties actually do all seem to happen on their own time, with their own guns. I wonder why they don't go off and shoot their wives and their estranged girlfriends and people at parties when they're on duty?

I don't know, I just notice they don't.

Well, I shouldn't say I don't know, because I do have an idea.

It's that thing called "public oversight". Maybe you've heard me mention it. Maybe it occurs to cops that when they're in uniform and on duty they're under it. Who knows?

[TPaine7]

11. Public oversight? Public oversight!!!

Funniest. Post. Ever.

:rofl:

[SmashTheRight]

6. For some reason

For some reason, the title of this thread made me thing that one officer shot another officer over a piece of pizza.

Hey they ain't called "pigs" for nothing.

[rl6214]

7. But I thought only cops should be allowed to carry guns because

THEY are the only ones trained well enough and qualified to carry guns, or so the anti-gun zealots tells us.

[iverglas]

8. will you be the one to back up your noise with something?

THEY are the only ones trained well enough and qualified to carry guns, or so the anti-gun zealots tells us.

Name one, and quote them.

In your own time.

(That's a figure of speech; it means: now, please.)

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[beevul]

22. Do you need that exact wording, or is "close enough" close enough?

"I would like to dispute that. Truthfully. I know it's an amendment. I know it's in the Constitution. But you know what? Enough! I would like to say, I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns."

Rosie Takes on the NRA, Ottawa Sun, April 29, 1999


"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." Michael Dukakis



Me, I think thats close enough. I wouldn't think those people were saying that "only police and military should have guns" because they (the police/military) AREN'T trained well enough and qualified.

I'd be entertained by contrary notions though.

:rofl:

[iverglas]

23. I never knew!

Rosie and Mike post here???

Now if only you could have produced something that actually said what was said here.

I can refresh your memory if you like:

But I thought only cops should be allowed to carry guns because
THEY are the only ones trained well enough and qualified to carry guns, or so the anti-gun zealots tells us.

I read past the subject line. Did you?

I think only cops should be allowed to carry guns.

But if that post were represented as a representation of me, it would be a false representation.

I can't speak for Rosie and Mike, of course, I can only note that they weren't speaking to that statement, and neither have you.

[beevul]

24. Uh no.

" But I thought only cops should be allowed to carry guns because THEY are the only ones trained well enough and qualified to carry guns, or so the anti-gun zealots tells us."

That is the original statement, as it was written, which you took issue with. Nowhere does it infer, imply, or catagorically specify that the "anti-gun zealots" in question are posters here.

"I think only cops should be allowed to carry guns."

Do you, really? Do you think that because they aren't well qualified or trained enough to do so or is being well trained and qualified part of the criteria?

"But if that post were represented as a representation of me, it would be a false representation."

I would dare say it would be more accurately characterized as an incomplete representation rather than a misrepresentation.

While it may not be your PRIMARY reason, its certainly part of the criteria - yours and everyone elses - that only police should carry guns. Its more of an incomplete picture than it is a complete fabrication. While it may not fit the "because", you yourself would certainly disallow such a thing "because" someone wasn't trained or authorized, would you not?



The implication the poster is referring to HAS been made here on DU by the occasional poster (the sentiment was expressed), as you, I and everyone here knows, and has read. And no, I'm not going to bother searching for it, I KNOW it has happened, and so does everyone else.

It always comes down to parsing words with you, when someone points out the sentiment we ALL KNOW has been expressed, but doesn't use exact lawyerly wording to point it out with.

Meh. Boring.

[iverglas]

25. how come all these people can always "remember"

all the hokey crap that happened once on a Tusday in April, but nobody can ever remember the real stuff?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=465687&mesg_id=465799

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=455681&mesg_id=455859

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=478120&mesg_id=478148

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=443197&mesg_id=444003

That should get you started. We could go way back, if you like.

Heck, we could even drag Switzerland into it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=452111&mesg_id=453228

[jeepnstein]

19. More common than you'd care to believe.

I can almost guarantee that anyone who has been a police officer for any amount of time can tell you about an angry, even violent, exchange between officers. It's usually over a workplace romance. You see, they're not some kind of automatons who comply with each and every directive handed down from on high. They're human and do all sorts of stupid stuff.

None of this really matters all that much in the grand scheme of things. American citizens are amazingly self-restrained when it comes to actually firing the weapons they keep and quite often bear. They can handle their freedom. That bothers some people greatly.

[iverglas]

20. "They can handle their freedom."

If they aren't one of the dead or injured ... both of which they are multiple times more likely to be than citizens of any comparale country ... but who cares if you're dead?? You got that freeeedumb stuff.

Freedumb to have the most inequitable economic system in any developed nation, freedumb to die from lack of healthcare if the gunz don't get ya ...

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