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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:42 AM Original message |
Abbas: Israeli raid 'a massacre' |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. What a coincidence. blivet just in Israel and this shit starts. I bet |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. well, if Israel is good at anything |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hamas has claimed that there will be no peace |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Sorry, but how many Israli's have been killed this year..last?..according to some |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. It seems to me that every time there is an agreement for peace talks |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Exactly what land has Israel "grabbed" since the agreement |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Has settlement building stopped? |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Yes. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Huh? Just this week, even after the Bush visit, Israel said they are still going ahead with the |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yeah, right... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. There will be no peace until the middle east is free of Jews nt |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Bull. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. HIstory is on my side, not yours |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Israel signed a peace agreement with Egypt that required them |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What peace treaty was this . . |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. UN Resolutions 242 & 338... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. R242 is not a peace treaty. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The Camp David Accords provided the framework |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Have a nice day. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. R242 is not real popular around here. It's almost as if it doesn't exist. nt |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. I'm finding that out. nt |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. r242 requires things from all parties, none of which, except Israel |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You have elaborated the Israeli position about what R242 means |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Why would there be? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. will your please do some research before posting..... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Gaza's water |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. it corrections of simple facts...... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You corrected me on a technical term |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. yes your wrong quite frequently "technically" |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
60. Sinai contains various raw resources |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I have read about a pipeline/oil deal |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I would assume so |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. yes.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Your side???? |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. History is not on the side of any particular people or nation |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I hope your right |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. "justice" is an arbitrary concept. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. HIstory is on my side, not yours |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 AM Original message |
dupe, delete |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. another dupe |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. The sad thing is that technically that's probably close to true. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Sadly, Donald |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. At least half of it is. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I don't view the occupation as a way of ending Palestinian violence |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I think you may have misread my post. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Since now I see you are in the camp |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Hmm. Your statement . . |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. One thing is for sure... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. It was tried. Gaza and Lebanon. n/t |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yeah right. Again, nice try.... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I've been informed by a knowledgeable source . . |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Again, more garbage... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. There is a detail about the greenhouses never mentioned |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Yeah. I remember that, too. |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. The reason it's never mentioned is that it has never been . . |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
68. now that was funny article... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. What's even more amazing . . |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Ok so tell me |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. israel supplies some water.... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
61. why did you put the word security in quotes? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Tried how? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. i agree... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes, of course. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Not all "martyrs" - some were civilians .... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Maybe I misinterpreted the latest edict . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. They are both callous with lives but |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Your statement . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. You didn't answer my question .... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Regarding your question. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. We are talking of moral equivalence .... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I think attacking civilians is immoral. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. quite the difference... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
70. What occupation? |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Israel claims no eastern border ......... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Israel does have an eastern border. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Can't you do better than that? |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Feel free to press your question if you don't like my answer . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Come. come, you know that was not an answer..... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You can interpret . . |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. No, they don't. They do not have any right to transfer civilian population to land they occupy. |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Israel is not transferring anybody anyplace. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Give me a fucking break. Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention nt |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Explain how you think "fucking" Article 49 applies . . |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Beuhler? Beuhler? Anybody? n/t |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Feign ignorance if you wish. But I've seen enough threads here where this has been |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Not good enough. Sorry. But . . |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Here's one of those threads.... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. It's just another opinion. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. If you'd read the thread you'd have spotted that it's not just another opinion... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Deleted message |
kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #83 |
102. Illegal or not, settlers are living in the West Bank ..... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I don't have a position regarding Israel's . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. I was hoping Pelsar or another Israeli could explain the morality ... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. You responded to post #83 . . |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. whats difficult to understand... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Thank you for responding Pelsar .... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. first accept a simple fact |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #113 |
118. And who are the 'citizens' of the West Bank? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #79 |
103. Jews lived in the west bank |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I have ignored no reality ........ |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. You are ignoring the reality of armed conflict. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. But as you know, there is no peace....... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Yes, we probably will . . |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. the treatment...... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Can we limit this sub-thread to the 'right to return to live in one's home'? n/t |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. dupe |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Just to be sure that I answered that last question . . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. You say you are interested in the morality of conflict ........ |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. It that question a joke? |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. I thought Israel thought of itself as a western democracy...... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. yes israeli is a western democracy.... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Not sure about the question, but I think the answer may have been... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Fine. Remove the word ALL |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. It's about factuality. You were incorrect, that's all... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I interpret R242 as basically calling for a settlement . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I must have a higher regard for Israel……. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. The LA Times featured a photo of the Helicopter gunship that was used in this terror attack |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
116. It starts with Iraq |
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