Joe the Revelator
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:16 PM
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Can we say that, following Obama's speech, Hillary's seems weak? |
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Because man, this speech is doing nothing for me at all. Obviously, you wouldn't expect it to, but her concession speech in Iowa actually wasn't that bad.
This one is just boring.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:17 PM
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1. She's giving a good speech, but.. |
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.. her voice is flat.
I like Obama's fire and charisma.
I just wish they were less corporate.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:45 PM
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44. she was extremely tired |
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she looked like she was ready for her bed!
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 PM
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2. I think the news story tomorrow will be that... |
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Obama will get more momentum out of his 2nd place than Clinton will get from her win.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 PM
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15. well, not really considering I would prefer Clinton :/ nt |
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Wed Jan-09-08 11:37 AM
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49. did your heart dream last night's shenanigans? |
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Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 11:37 AM by JackORoses
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 PM
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Everyone was saying Obama was going to crush HRC. Didn't happen.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 PM
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I liked the line of finding her voice. It really does seem like she has since the debate. I'm back to the fence. I could support any of the top 3 Dems.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 PM
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4. I was hoping for more electricity, given her astounding win and recent forays into emotion. |
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Still, not terrible. She'll never be the orator Obama is, and we know that.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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It was exactly what I expected. Thanking the people who helped her win in NH... |
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I didn't expect a roadmap to peace. At least not now.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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5. I'm amazed any of them are still standing. |
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Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM by AtomicKitten
This grueling condensed primary is brutal.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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6. Yes, I admit Obama's speech was much better |
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However Hillary's speech was good, but not spectacular.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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7. no, your personal bias is showing nt |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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8. It's not really fair to compare the two |
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She's not in his oratory league.
Few people are.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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9. Obama has excellent oratory skills |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM
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10. Her speech was great. |
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So was Obama's and Edwards.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:20 PM
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11. You can say it, doesn't make it a fact. |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 PM
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14. Did I ever say that it did? |
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Put you fucking laser shield down
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:20 PM
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12. Obama Is A Great Orator |
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We will see if it carries the day...
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:20 PM
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13. Quit being such a tosser! |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 PM
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16. Honestly, Hillary's was better. Obama had a much, much better... |
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...start and middle. But he made a goof, I think, saying to the people who had worked for and supported him "This is your night." (!) Then right after that, he trailed off into preacher, "change, hope, yes-you-can" mediocrity. He was persuasive, impressive, and magnanimous at first, truly charismatic with good solid content. Then he finished with the end of Layla.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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21. Well he didn't say "God Bless You" like Hillary did...... |
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So I'm not sure who the preacher is here.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:30 PM
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38. True. He better watch that. |
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It's not that I like it myself. He may have to wear it a little on his sleeve. If there is one way for him to counter the stupid "He's a Muslim" crap (wrong in about eight ways, but not dead by a long shot) it's to throw in a "God Bless You" or two. Hill's really kind of a devout type I understand, so she has no problem saying something like that.
But yes, it was weird to hear her say it. And I do think it means something.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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17. Very boring and uninspiring...sort of like the candidate herself... |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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18. silky show pony vs hard working reliable competent plow horse |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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Gale Sayers or Earl Campbell...
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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19. I didn't like either of the speeches. |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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22. One can, but one isn't required to |
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Why don't you change the channel? I'm surer there are some cartoons on.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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23. No. You can't. Not tonite. You can think it... |
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but you can't say it because you just end up looking like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl. Be gracious. Let the Hillary supporters savor this night. They've earned it. And tomorrow I tell you that you are welcome to critique her speech as you will...but tonight you will let them be happy and NOT try to diminish the win for Hillary supporters and women everywhere.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:24 PM
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26. Well, there were many, many threads |
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expressing disgust with Obama's stellar Iowa speech. This is, in comparison, well-reasoned and respectful.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:29 PM
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36. And if it were Obama's victory night I'd feel the same way...just like I did last week. |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:48 PM
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46. Yeah, the venom was just |
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dripping but ..no one better say anything negative about hillary or the squawk box gets turned on.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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24. No, we can't say that. |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:24 PM
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25. They seemed exhausted |
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Edwards speech was the best.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:25 PM
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27. Hillary's speech is pretty good...here's why Obama's sounds better |
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Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:25 PM by alcibiades_mystery
In the black oratorical/sermonic tradition, the speaker establishes a rhythm with the crowd. This is clear in Obama's speech patterns. The thing that ruins most political speeches is the crowd interruption for applause. Most speakers don't know how to manage it, and it completely ruins the rhythm of the speech. In Hillary's case tonight, she had a couple of nice clauses that used anaphora (beginning consecutive clauses with the same word or phrase). The crowd applauded after every clause, completely destroying the rhythmic effect of the anaphora. That doesn't happen with Obama, or with other good African American speakers, because they are much more used to managing crowd response as a result of the call and response tradition. They maintain rhythmic qualities of the speech much more effectively because they know when to let a crowd interrupt with applause and when to plow through.
(And no, I'm not saying "black folks have more rhythm" as some kind of NATURAL fact. I'm saying the social and historical organization of African American oratory pays more attention to the way speakers and audience interact to create rhythm in speeches. It's a very difficult task to manage, and - in my view - accounts for some of the amazed white reaction to black oratory, since white cultures - with the exception of some white Southern sermonic traditions - simply don't have the same sorts of structures.)
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:25 PM
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28. We actuallly agree on something aside from who we want to see |
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as nominee. His speech was magnificent. Here pedestrian.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:25 PM
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29. Do you ever not stop the spinning? |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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30. No, she is a different kind of speaker. That's all there is to it. |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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I must have fallen asleep while he was talking about Dreamin' & Hopin' & Wishin'.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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32. No! McCain's was weak and stilted. |
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Face it- HRC is HRC and not BHO. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 PM
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34. I guess one could say that if they've been Svengali-ized.... |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:31 PM
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39. No, you're still spinning |
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Sit down, you'll get dizzy.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:31 PM
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40. A different style. Not better not worse. nt |
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:40 AM
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47. Obama is the better speaker, I think |
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Clinton is the better debater. It's different organizational and delivery talents, as well as different styles, imo.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:32 PM
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41. She'll never beat him in speech-making. But she praised the other candidates. nt |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:32 PM
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42. I thought it was just fine |
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I liked Edwards speech the best. Obama speeches just don't inspire me at all.
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:44 PM
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43. I thought her speech was very good |
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Tue Jan-08-08 11:48 PM
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45. Hillary won the expectation game on the speeches too |
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It was Hillary's best speech in her life much better than anything she has ever done before. Not as good as Obama but since everyone expected him to be great she seemed to have the greatest growth
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Wed Jan-09-08 11:23 AM
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48. Well, YOU can certainly say it |
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Just don't include everybody in your "we"
I thought her speech was excellent, hit the right tone. As was Obama's and Edwards'
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Wed Jan-09-08 12:03 PM
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50. I thought McCain's speech was the best of the night |
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but then again, I also sniff glue, so I might be biased.
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