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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:35 PM Original message |
Clinton Supporters, please explain to me why she won't admit the IWR vote was a mistake? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. HRC voted to force inspectors back in Oct. They were back in Nov |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. So you are saying invading Iraq was a GOOD idea? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Diplomacy requires the threat of force. Even Bill Clinton bombed |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. She authorized force... |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. You dodged the question....here it is again |
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cjmastaw (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. They can't help themselves |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Clearly. And this is horrifying considering this question would be Hillary's undoing in the GE |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
86. Renouncing her vote would be her "undoing" even more |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Oh what bullshit... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. She thinks the IWR was the appropriate CONGRESSIONAL policy at the time |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. There is one term that sticks out that she used: "coercive diplomacy" |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I think you are tripping out on this |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. That's not really what I am saying. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. You were wrong with your second sentance |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. You seem to be the one lacking any evidence. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. Geez, read her speach before the Senate |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. You can't do it, can you? Because it doesn't exist. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Believe what you want. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. I never asked anything about any VOTE! I never asked that! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
57. Our security was at stake in Iraq? What bullshit |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. We were conducting over flights, which maintained the status quo |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:08 PM Original message |
I'm saying that we should stop fucking with other peoples' countries, ASAP |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
89. I'm saying that we should stop fucking with other peoples' countries, ASAP |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
64. The world is not ready to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Fortunately, |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
58. Exactly... and they know it. n/t |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
61. Aside from the minor point she didn't read the NIE report i guess n/t |
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Afje (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
60. She won't admit that the vote was a mistake |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
66. THE VOTE WAS NOT A MISTAKE. Now, take your fingers out of your |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
84. are you insane? |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
30. but I thought she said tonight that one of the reasons for |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Not only that, but... |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. about 'kicking out the inspectors'... |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Hillary doesn't tell porkie pies. I'm being gracious and positive. =) |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
68. The timeline is clear. Vote in Oct '02, inspectors back in Nov '02 |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Millions around the word protested before the invasion of Iraq |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. That was a lot ot text! Answer: No gift for the GOP. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because it's a political trap, in the primary and in the general. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I disagree - it's putting the focus on her. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
71. She stated that knowing then what she does now she would not have voted for the resolution. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
45. which reminds me the preaching to the choir thing tonight |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Not a Clinton supporter here.... |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. look at the Kerry/Bush campaigns from 2004 |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yes, and how is it any different now? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. She can't, at this point. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You might be right, and you have a point. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. Great points. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. I agree. It has gone on too long. The opportunity to admit a mistake has passed...n/t |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Certain people never admit any of their mistakes. n/t |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why should she??????? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. That misses the point. |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
52. "She's going to be called a flip-flopper. " |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. And? |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. "I really wish Hillary would be clear and honest on where she stands and how she intends to proceed |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
15. It would be political suicide, and she knows it. Remember Kerry? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I remember Kerry well, how is she any different on that issue? |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
78. Kind of like when she took the fight to big oil companies, 'eh? |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
17. It wasn't a mistake. 76 other senators voted for it. Average voter could give a shit....nt |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. These 23 senators voted against it... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. At the time with the false evidence |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Powell KNEW it was bullshit. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. How do you know Powell knew it was BS? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Have you read the Downing Street Memos? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Then how did... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
80. Why did Obama support Kerry back in 2004 in his |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. He's already explained. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Here, doc03: |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
74. Powell removed a majority of the BS from his presentation. Unfortunately he believed that Bush |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
72. I agree. If she says the vote was a mistake, the repugs will call her a flipflopper and tear her up |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
21. Because it was a means to end the contaiment sanctions that were |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
22. It's the economy, Stupid. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Political accountabillity is always an issue...n/t |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Present |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Except, of course if she faces John McCain. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Halliburton and GE's economy n/t |
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DiamondJay (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
46. nothing is worse in politics than saying "i was wrong" |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It worked for Bill Clinton. |
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DiamondJay (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. i meant to say in relation to policy |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. It's not really a policy issue - it's a judgment issue, a character issue, a personality issue. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
76. BINGO! |
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sjdnb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
51. Because it was Bush's actions, circumventing the requirements/intent of the legislation |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
53. Hillary has an old world, almost Rethug view of foreign and military policy |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I think you could be right. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. And you want revolution? n/t |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
92. Can't hurt. |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
75. You hit it right on the money, ErnestoG. This argument should be a new thread. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. No one can say it better than you did. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
62. Obama's no better than hillary on the war. Hillary 'gave a speech' or two opposing the war; obama wa |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
93. Horse shit, as usual.... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
63. Because she is a smart politician and she doesn't have to.... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
70. Sorry but this really is a silly question |
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soundguy (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
73. I Don't Get You and Those Like You. |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. The feeling is mutual, I suppose. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. If you want a candidate who puts her finger to the wind for guidance, I hope you don't vote. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
79. I couldn't agree with you |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I agree completely. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
83. Right or wrong, voters perceive that as a weakness. Notice Bush has never done this. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Notice Bush's approval ratings. -nt- |
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Harkpark (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
90. Hilary ... admit |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
95. because you do not get a do over in politics. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
99. This is why > |
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