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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:57 PM Original message |
Way too much is made of Hillary's Iraq War vote ... and I can tell you why ... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's the FOUR YEARS AFTER THE VOTE |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You need to cite the quotation upon voting where she says ousting Hussein is a BAD idea. nt |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. She said she supported it a lot more often n/t |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. What you see is that she tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for as long as possible. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm opposed to signing statements. Hill either voted for the bill or for the statement, which one? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Huh? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Oh puhleeze |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Absolutely. She calculated that she needed to be hawkish on the war |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. But you still have to support her if she wins the Primary ... |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Well, my culpability would be zero |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Hahah ... then who cares what you think!!!! (just kidding) |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. It's really because Clinton haters have nothing else much to complain about |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Her statement made on voting, cites, in part, her experience of 8 yrs seeing Bubba's hands tied. nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. So she was really voting to untie Bill's hands? Or bush's hands? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. She was trying to demonstrate bipartisan trust in the President ... |
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JackintheGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. Though this may indeed be true |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I was against the war from the start too ... have always been against it. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Same here. But I understood the idea of using the vote as a stick to force the UN to do something. |
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JackintheGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. I can understand it, but it was a useless gesture |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. With a lifetime of experience, she should have said "NO" |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I guess we disagree ... |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. That´s the point. THAT IS THE POINT! |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Maybe ... |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The MISTAKE was saying "YES" |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. Does that mean you won't vote for her in the General? |
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rjx (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. I agree |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Thank You rjx! |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. So when the general comes, if she is the candidate what do you do? |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. "He" didn´t screw us ... All of them did, including HRC. |
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cjmastaw (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
15. And here is why it DOES matter |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yes, her vote DOES matter! |
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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. 3,943 reasons she was wrong and another 31,831 and another 600,000+ reasons |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. I don't want you to tell me why... |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. There are always protests ... they came after the vote ... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. "No one could have predicted" |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. That's actually a really interesting take on it. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Thank you ... and like I said, I'm not a Hillary supporter ... |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wow ... |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. This is not a "theoretical" discussion. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. In the General, if you don't vote for her ... you will be making the same mistake. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
29. So why didn't she make some noise at the time? Why didn't she apologize for her error? |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Thank you sparosnare, well stated. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. The GOP opposed Clinton when the Bombs were falling too ... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
33. Nice post, Im guessing it will be your last foray into |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. haha ... thanks ... My reason for posting this line of thought is pretty simple ... |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
35. Interesting perspective. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Thanks ... |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hillary and Bush have 1 character flaw in common - they both can't admit they were wrong. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
40. For those who won't vote for Hillary if she wins the primary ... here is why you are wrong ... |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. That's exactly the stupidity, I don't get. Some Du-er even claimed they would |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
43. they wanted to paint the dems as weak on National Security |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
44. The country has moved on to the economy. They don't care they, just want to end it! 72% was |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Agree ... except on DU ... where it is a daily flame war. nt |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Yep, but then you can't tell them that, now can you, without being crucified! |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. no kidding ... I put on flame retardant underwear for this post. nt |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
49. Nice gloss over of a deadly and important issue for Americans. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Again I'll ask this ... if she wins the Primary, do you sit out? |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Exactly! Don't they understand that there are bigger issues at stake like the direction of |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. ding ding ding ... we have a winner :-) |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. No, I hold my nose and vote for Hillary, and steel myself for President McCain. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. yes :-) |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yes? You are happy about Hillary assuring a McCain win? I surely am not. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Sorry, maybe I missunderstood you ... |
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mcranor (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
53. vote YES, and TRUST |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I don't think she believed he'd do what he did ... I didn't. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
57. It's an interesting narrative you've constructed there. Here's the problem: |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I'm very familiar with the PNAC guys ... |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
59. That's an interesting analysis. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
60. Say that "too much is made of it" to the parents of dead soldiers and to the tens of thousands of |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You can blame that on Bush and the repugs. In case you forgot 81 Dems |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. The post in no way suggest that the consequence of Bush's war are not horrible ... |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. No, you just want to erase Hillary's part in it. How disingenuous can you get? |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Bull. I'm not trying to erase anything ... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
74. Well, that's a nice rationalization there, |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
75. Iraq Resolution - (D) Senate 29 Ayes 21 Nayes, The House 81 Ayes 126 Nayes |
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