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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:20 PM Original message |
If you're black, and you vote for Sen. Obama ONLY because HE is black; or if you're a woman and you |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree. But let us not have a double standard... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Did I propose a double standard? I don't think I did. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. No, you did not. But many here do (nt) |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's why I wrote the original post. Not that it will do any good, but |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Does me good just to see someone post something with common sense. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Thank you. I know it's like telling the tide to stop rolling in, but |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. LOL! Only now? I've quit this place 6 times in the last 3 weeks. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. i agree. everyone has a right to be a fool. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. And you have every right to show yourself to be a fool by telling them that. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. yes, because its so foolish to point out the absurdity of voting for someone |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. See my post # 51 |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. dupe |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. "based off of their race and gender?" You're going to lecture someone about what's "moronic," |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. I cant agree. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It's THEIR decision, not yours. Whether you like that or not. |
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redwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
76. I don't think it is that simple. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. People have told others on this board, that it is stupid to vote |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
11. Can I vote for McCain only because he's an asshole? |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. If you want to. It's your decision. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. And here's another totally radical idea folks... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Not in some caucuses, especially Iowa |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I was thinking more along the lines of the GE. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Oh, sorry. (nt) |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. No problem. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. I read a good quote the other day... |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yes |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Listen to me: The LAST thing that should be on your mind is "what people will think" about |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. you are right |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You know, my youngest kid voted this year for the first time. Imagine that, first primary, age 20... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. And doesn't it feel good to see the "youth vote" numbers. This is some great stuff |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Yes it is, and he has prodded and in some cases humiliated his friends into |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
19. Does that logic extend to those who wouldn't vote for a certain candidate in the GE? |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Well, yeah, if someone is an old white guy from Arizona with pouchy chipmunk cheeks, |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Just making sure, because I don't think anyone holds to your idea that the individual's vote... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Well, my idea might not be popular on DU, or on a specific portion of DU, but |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I do! I do! I do! And I have not and will not assail the choices that others make. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. One thing that isn't always clear |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Very thoughtful post. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. What, you're going to try to tell me that women tend to be smarter than men, in general, |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well I'm a Celtic chick and a 13th generational american |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. And that's a damn good reason for you to vote the way you do. THAT reasoning is every |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Consider reading this. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Oh, that's well-written and powerful stuff, indeed. Thanks for the link. |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. it's just so sincere. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yes. As much as I, old fart that I am, might be willing to dismiss the words of |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I found it to be moving and to be powerfully moving as well |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Same to you, m'dear. Good to be talking with you again, after such a long time. |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Sorry but as an semi old swamp yankee I found that to be refreshing |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. That I did, indeed, and I appreciate the link. |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. The duty of a citizen in a Democracy is to be an educated voter and participant |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. My point: Why do you think that YOUR "expectations" should be the basis for |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. It is not MY expectations, it is the expectation, the duty, implied in a Democracy, to be educated |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. "Off of shallow reasoning?" "she's a women?" You could use some education yourself. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. I'm afraid you're going to have to define the term, "educated" to me... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
80. Wow |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Well thank you Crisco, copy it and use it for yourself if you like. Peace to you also. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
38. people vote how they want to - it's a free country |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You can be free and ignorant, or free and enlightened... it is not an argument over freedom... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Dingdingding! You win the prize! You GET it! That's my point, exactly. |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Newsflash, it is not you that lives with the consequences of your decision |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. What you do not comprehend it that how you vote is an outcome of how you have lived |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Now THAT is a simple concept that so many people simply do not understand. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I know baby. :) On edit; May I say that you have started the best thread in weeks! |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Geez, thanks. I do try, though God knows why. You may know that I'm an essentially lazy |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You bet. :) |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Have I advocated taking it lightly? No. I've advocated the SACRED part of it being |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. maybe they should have training courses! |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. And a literacy test at the polls, yes? |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. how's the Native American vote doing? |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Not my problem how it's doing. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
41. I'm a white guy. I'm voting for the white guy. Go, Gravel! nt |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Good God, wouldn't it be great if he got elected? People are talking about CHANGE... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. You got it. I wish people would just wake up and realize we have |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
56. So, you're saying you're pro-(voter's)-choice? |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Guilty as charged. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. In the words of our soon to be former president, "That's uniquely American!" |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Maybe so. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
72. K&R come on somebody else recommend this thread where you've all behaved yourselves for a change |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
75. I coudn't agree more with you. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
77. Agreed |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
78. Good post. |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
82. I vote for Sen. Obama ONLY because i'm Canadian. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
84. What if you are white and you vote for a white candidate ONLY because he/she is white? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. No ok to me personally, but ok for THAT person, and it's their vote. |
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