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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:19 AM Original message |
It's time to review Trinity Church's tax exempt status. I say this as an Obama supporter |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. As an Obama supporter, |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
78. WE THE PEOPLE CREATED THIS GENERATION OF RELIGIO-FASCISTS |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #78 |
94. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???????? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
113. I too agree. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. That was actually my first thought as well - nothing to do with Obama |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Exactly! Its fine if they want to play this roll, but then they and their flock must pay taxes |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well past time to end tax exemptions for churches period. |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
60. ALL churches because they ALL talk politics. If a politician isn't lock step, they say so..... |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. My church doesn't do that. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
82. I've never told my congregation how to vote. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Thank you! |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #85 |
122. We can. We can talk about anything but PARTISAN politics. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #122 |
175. Serious question -- |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. They can say whatever they want |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #175 |
182. My task in the pulpit is to expound scripture, not to give my personal opinions. |
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dsomuah (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #182 |
186. I don't think it's even very christian |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
90. You can bet your last dollar that my church doesn't do that. nt |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #90 |
136. My church doesn't |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
173. I really disagree with |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
97. ding, ding, ding |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. Ditto from this Obama supporter. |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
5. Why, because it's the church of a presidential candidate? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Great example. Strip their tax exempt status as well. Truly this shit must stop |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. I agree with you in principle |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
7. I agree. And there are a lot of other churches which need to be examined as well. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Especially on the conservative side of the political spectrum |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
169. Bingo! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
8. This was looked at last week and they were cleared. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Yes, its time to review it again. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. This is anti-christian BS. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #30 |
62. I have NO problem with them speaking about the issues of the day. I do have a problem with... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You might have a problem with it, but it's not illegal. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
91. Actually it is. Churches cannot endorse a specific candidate. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Did he endorse someone? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. This really is a "definition of 'is' is" type defense...it makes no sense... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. Political speech is not illegal. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
124. He was telling that congregation who to vote for. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. Post the offensive quote. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #99 |
120. He was claerly telling people to vote for Obama. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #120 |
132. Where did he tell people to vote for Obama. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
92. You've repeated this about 8 times now...I've answered you each time... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #92 |
101. It's one of those agree to disagree situations. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
89. Pastors are NOT allowed to endorse a specific party or candidate. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #89 |
103. Really? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
83. The denomination was cleared. The investigation of Trinity is |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
84. Delete. Dupe. Oops! nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. I think they've been under review for some time. Maybe it's been revoked and they're getting,,, |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. I feel badly for the UCC ... Trinity is only one of thousands of churches |
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Max_powers94 (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
13. The media got you all by the balls :smh: |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
72. Exactly - both sides are ridiculous on this issue now |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
14. The public statements made were not on behalf of the church. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Really...so where were these statements made exactly? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Are you sure that a brutal mocking of one candidate legally qualifies as an endorsement of the other |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
44. Um, yeah...at least that's what the statutue says... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
63. The law: |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Exactly! I wish I could Rec you...nt |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Well Mom was right |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
95. Please tell me you're kidding. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
125. Yes. I'm sure. And I know these things professionally. nt |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
32. The priest wasn't representing the church. He was not a spokesperson for the church. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Bullshit. He was speaking from their pulpit. There's a REALLY easy solution to this... |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. You're wrong according to the law. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Simply stating "You're wrong" is not a very motivating argument... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. He didn't convince you that you're wrong? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
98. He was speaking on behalf of the congregation. That was clear. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #98 |
108. It doesn't matter who he was speaking on behalf of. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #108 |
118. If he was telling people who to vote for, and he clearly was, |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Good, so why won't you post the offensive quote? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #121 |
134. Give me a break... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #134 |
139. Thanks! |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. I get it..."your" narrow definition is only restricted to "vote for or against.." |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #142 |
145. "directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign" |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #145 |
154. You forgot to mention "public statements" made in support of or opposition to... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #154 |
157. lol |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. No, I am only responding for completeness, not because you are making a point... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #158 |
180. I said before that we can agree to disagree. |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #157 |
178. No I hate to say it, but it appears that the other poster is correct. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. No one has clearly demonstrated that the quote is illegal. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
15. KEEP CHURH & STATE SEPARATE!!! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
16. Don't be ridiculous. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Check out current events...this was from May 22 nt |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Its a different case - Obama as a member of the church could speak |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. My complaint is NOT at all with Obama...its with the churches... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Right, it's anti-Christian |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. My problem is NOT with Christians...its with using churches as political tools... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Because you're saying two different things. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. That's what I'm talking about...perhaps I misunderstand you...what are you saying? nt |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. That's not what the church is doing. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You have some serious blinders on to make that case |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
66. It was free speech. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. One more time...Tax exempt "free speech" in support of a candidate is illegal... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #70 |
93. Yes, it is illegal. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #93 |
146. Actually, any behavior which speaks in a partisan way is a violation. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #70 |
115. No...It's not. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #115 |
140. The issue not elected leaders, but those currently running for political office... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #140 |
148. So the question is: What constitutes participation? |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #148 |
160. Happy Hunting... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #140 |
159. Criticism is criticism... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #159 |
163. Apparently the Obama campaign and the Catholic Church disagrees with you... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #163 |
172. Embarrassing? Yes. Inappropriate? Yes. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #66 |
144. You're mistaken. 501c3 orgs are not allowed to engage in any behavior-- |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #144 |
168. I am not mistaken |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #168 |
171. What was that larger point, exactly? nt |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #171 |
174. White folks get the benefit of having been born white... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I don't care if it's not the same thing. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. It matters because it's illegal. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. What are you talking about? n/t |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. That's from the IRS statutue cited above. It's illegal. Trinity should lose their tax exempt status. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. What you cited has nothing to do with the current situation. Nothing! n/t |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
128. Obama's speech wasn't an endorsement. He was simply a |
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uberblonde (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Not the same thing! |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
130. Obama's speech wasn't at Trinity. It was at the denomination's |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
104. Different incident. The decision you cite was the denominational convention, |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
23. The IRS just investigated and cleared UCC. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Again, this seems pretty clear to me...looks like they need to re-investigate |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. I'm in favor of the IRS investigating Trinity, but only if they investigate |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. FULLY agree with you. This trend needs to be totally quashed. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:36 AM Original message |
The denomination, not Trinity. See post no. 104. nt |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
26. I could careless about this |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
27. What is really going to piss me off |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. basically |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I beg to differ...this will send a chilling message to ALL churches... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Why do you want to silence free speech? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. I wish to silence "tax exempt" free speech. They can engage in free speech all they like... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. They're not functioning as a political organization. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Try reading the statue again. It IS illegal. They ARE engaging in the political campaign... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. I did, now you try. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. So your position is he was not making a statement in opposition of Hillary?? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Sorry, but that's how it is. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
151. Not at all. Churches are absolutely free to engage in partisan politics |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
57. I hope you are right |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
109. Most of these arguments are anti-Christian |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #109 |
119. Do you slime everyone you disagree with, or is this thread unique? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #119 |
127. This thread is unique. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #109 |
150. ... |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
107. You are correct |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
28. Personally I think this should hold true with any church |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
36. great idea! Let's have this debate AFTER the GE. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. I'm all for that. Truly, it will take a change of leadership at the IRS anyways... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
40. only if Hagee and Parsley are examined first |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
54. Examine them all in parallel. This stuff really needs to be stopped. nt |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
102. totally agree with you. This violates the spirit AND the letter of the law. |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
42. before we do all that, can we get the troops home? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
47. Jesus Christ in the morning! Now with the Rightwing Talking Points. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Bullshit. Our democracy is slipping away. This is just one more instance... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. No, this is you not knowing what you're talking about. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Well gosh, I guess that makes two of us... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
117. The difference is I do know what I'm talking about. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Yes, I'm advocating #2 - stopping them for supporting or denouncing candidates for public office... |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #81 |
131. I really hate when non-lawyers give legal opinions and try to interpret statutes |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #131 |
137. You must really hate those working for the Federal government then... |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #137 |
166. nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
56. We have more important work than to vent "Self-Righteous Indignation" toward Trinity. |
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Kaylee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Thank you. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #73 |
100. You're welcome - It's perhaps the liberal Catholic in me. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
75. End the tax exemption for all "churches" -- problem solved |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
77. I agree. And I say this as UCC clergy. nt |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
79. No church should be tax exempt imo. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
80. You're right. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
105. jeezus h christ, ya'all are some of the most thin skinned, anti-religious zealots I ever encountered |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. I'm a pastor, in the UCC, and I think Trinity should lose its status. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. If it's so simple, post a quote. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #112 |
147. mocking Clinton isn't necessarily advocating Obama... the issue of White privelege is fair game |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #147 |
153. UCC is the denomination of which Trinity is a member congregation. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #147 |
167. Apparently the Obama campaign and the Catholic Church disagrees with you... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
110. sure, as soon as we get those RW churches that proppe up Delay and Frist |
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Bad Thoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
116. This is a tough one |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
126. K&R |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
133. I agree. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
135. No it is just more desperate last minute Obama bashing from the Clintons. //nt |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #135 |
138. Try rereading the OP. This is not about Obama or Hillary and I am NOT a Hillary supporter... |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #138 |
143. i read it... i get it... and i disagree with it... |
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shayes51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #135 |
161. Excuse me. Did Hillary say these things? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #161 |
164. No, but she used this as yet another method of attack well after the nomination has been.. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #164 |
183. Father Pfleger made the statements. Did he seriously think they'd be ignored? nt |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
141. If there were no Black churches of this type there would've been NO CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #141 |
149. The issue isn't political speech. The issue is PARTISAN political speech. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #149 |
152. wrong.... you're focussed on a poor people's church |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #152 |
155. According to the rulings, if he stands in the pulpit at a worship service, |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #152 |
156. I don't see the word "outright" in the IRS language...it seems a significantlly |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #149 |
165. he apologized... he didn't represent Trinity... he didn't specifically endorse... you have NO CASE |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #165 |
170. I'm not an Obama supporter. I voted for Edwards, and wish he were still running. |
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shayes51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
162. They should not be tax exempt. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
176. As an atheist, I resent any church being tax exempt. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Just to be clear, as an agnostic, I totally support their tax exempt status, as long as... |
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Voltaire99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
184. I think YOU'RE the lunatic. |
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dsomuah (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
185. I think most churches need to lose their tax-exempt status |
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