The people trying to convince me this bill is good and Dennis Kucinich is a bad guy...

[VMI Dem]

are the same people that try to convince me that the President's opposition to gay civil rights is some sort of masterful chess move.

Go piss down someone else's back. The list of approved political figures is quickly dwindling to one.

[MNDemNY]

1. This bill is shit, it is a boon for the insurance industry.

That is all.

[Dawgs]

2. Then why did the insurance industry oppose it so strongly?

You people should be embarrassed.

[tekisui]

3. 'You people'? There was a time when liberal positions weren't

attacked on DU.

[MNDemNY]

5. That was before the corporate "take-over"

[geek tragedy]

12. Alan Grayson is part of the corporate takeover?

So, to be clear:

EVERYONE BUT DENNIS KUCINICH IS A DLC SELLOUT?

That's what your crowd actually believes?

[dionysus]

28. yes. saint dennis the perfect of cleveland. with his magic flying unicorn, he will save us

all from the evil DLC hordes. In 2012, with ron paul at his side, there's nothing he won't be able to accomplish!

[QC]

8. Yeah, it's very revealing that liberals are now "you people."

Welcome to Democratic (Leadership Council) Underground.

[geek tragedy]

14. No, liberals supported the bill.

It's the whiny babies who insist that everyone who voted for it is a sellout that we're rightfully bashing.

[MNDemNY]

18. slurp.

[geek tragedy]

19. Need your diapers changed? nt

[dionysus]

30. LOL... you guys are going to end up with the party of Just Dennis before it's over with

:rofl:

[MNDemNY]

4. Why should they "fold" when they have "the nut"?? Of course you continue to raise!

[Milo_Bloom]

41. They didn't.

[Aramchek]

47. It will pass the Senate and be made law. That is all.

[Ikonoklast]

6. Dennis is as helpful as Joe Lieberman.

And he voted just as the Teabaggers, Birfers, and Republicans wanted.

[KansasVoter]

57. You must love the GOP BLIND SUPPORT!

[stray cat]

7. Once more you and the GOP and Lieberman and Insurance companies agree!

[MNDemNY]

13. Once more you fall down in the face of real reform!

Bleat.

[stray cat]

9. Dennis seems to be the latest "religious icon"

[MNDemNY]

16. Are you not, now, blaspheming "The One"??

[Starbucks Anarchist]

45. The only ones who refer to Obama that way are people like you.

[geek tragedy]

10. Funny how Barbara Lee and Alan Grayson are now DLC sellouts

because they voted for an impure bill.

If you needed any further proof that DU is dominated by whiny children, there ya go.

[mmonk]

11. Well said.

[EndElectoral]

15. Frankly, this is a dreadful bill. It is going to raise premiums dramatically.

Well intentioned, but without a stronger public option and stronger enforcement measures it simply gives insurance companies more money for their investors. THose with pre-existing conditions and rescission candidates will be covered but have to pay whooping premiums. In other words insurance compnaies will financially pressure them to drop off the rolls rather than mandating it.

[MNDemNY]

17. Buy stock in the industry.!!!

[Kdillard]

20. I also noticed that not one of Kucinich's defenders could come up with anything

That he had done to further any progressive cause at all besides press releases as to why he won't support yet another bill and sided with Republicans. Please tell me what Dennis has done for gay rights that I haven't heard. I am puzzled by the outrage at criticism of a guy who has done nothing besides talk purity but does nothing to further any cause important to them unlike Obama who gets crapped on for everything.

[VMI Dem]

21. I don't remember him vocally opposing gay rights.

That would be bigoted.

[Kdillard]

22. Again not one accomplishment and deflection by tryimg to bash the President. That

Who has actually done stuff. Speaks volumes and ends any discussion.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. Dennis is one of the few elected Democrats who fully supports

equal rights of all kinds for all people. Obama opposes equal marriage rights for GLBT people, Dennis supports them. This is one of the reasons Dennis has earned much support from many people when he takes a stand that pisses off the DLC crowd. They are not friendly to gay people and our rights at all. They stand against us, and DK stands with and for us.

[uponit7771]

23. Kucinich has a pattern of picking the perfect over good or adequate, why should he be paid attention

...to?

[GreenArrow]

24. actually, he has a pattern of picking the good

over the bad, the lame, the dishonest, the venal and the egregiously bad.

[glitch]

27. Thank you! The "perfect over the good" meme is so simplistic it needs to be retired. nt

[GreenArrow]

36. Yep. It's asinine

and I'm getting kind of bored with hearing it.

[rudy23]

25. No, it's these people. I've been talking about them since July.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6022082

[dionysus]

29. i seriously doubt the DLC or anyone else sees him as consequential in any way...

:shrug:

seriously guys, no one aside from political junkies even know the man exists, let alone has any influence or power...

[dionysus]

26. Dennis who? that little grandstanding fellow that just voted with the republicans?

what about him?

[zulchzulu]

34. Yep. That grandstanding little fuckhead who can't run a decent campaign

I used to like Kucinich, but it is quite apparent that he is an asshat. He can't get shit passed. He can't run a decent campaign. And yes, he's an ugly little dork. He brings to the Democratic Party about as much as a worm-filled dog turd in a salad.

File Kucinich in the same folder as the other asshat, John Edwards.

[Vidar]

31. K&R

[zulchzulu]

32. Speaking of piss... go piss on people denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions

Utopian Purists suck.

[dionysus]

35. i'm starting to think this isn't even about health care anymore. for the crowd that likes to

hurl out the cult/messaih/kool-aid crap, they literally do worship the guy. what is he, the patron saint of irrelevancy?

they're fast working towards a party of one. watch as the entire democratic party gets thrown under the bus for the sake of a backbencher from ohio. it's amazing.

[vaberella]

33. You can believe what you want. But when he voted against this bill he denied me the PO.

Based on Pelosi's statements I'm qualified and would be on PO in Jan. I have a pre-existing condtion. He voted agains that, and I saw it as a vote against me. You think what you will. I got my answer from him on his vote.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. And yet when Obama declares that gay people should not

have equal rights, you are shocked when that is taken personally.

[dionysus]

37. the bill isn't great, but it's a start, and dennis is an irrelevant douchebag.

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

39. Apparently not, as he has half of DU in love with him...

...and the other half shitting themselves as they try to trash him faster then the next guy.

[dionysus]

40. oh, on a lefty site comprised of political junkies, he'll have a ton more support then amongst

voting dems at large...

[Milo_Bloom]

42. That start of what?

The government forcing people to give more money to corporations?

[dionysus]

46. that's the way you see it. other's see differently. if you are in the single payer or nothing crowd

you're going to end up with nothing.

others see this as the start of a process that will eventually bring about single payer.

[FrenchieCat]

38. The President is not in oppositino to Gay Civil Rights,

and you have only been here for a short while,
so I don't know who those people were,
but do you have some links?

[Bluenorthwest]

49. Sorry, but he is. He is agaist equality rather stridently

He is against equality and favors a two tired, double standard injustice. He is most certainly against equality, and for you to claim otherwise is simply to go too far.
He is opposed to equality for minorities his religion tells him are not as good as his own kind. You need to deal with it. He is against Gay Civil Rights, period. Spin all you want. He opposes equality. You want to get into quotes from his McClurkin affair? Really? Wanna hear all over again what Donnie said and Obama called 'good and decent'? I'd rather not, but I will if you try to fling that bullshit around again.
Obama is against equality for GLBT people, openly, specifically and everybody but you know that. But you do too.

[Number23]

54. Considering you have about as much credibility when it comes to Obama as even the most ill-informed

tea-bagging Freeper, yes please give us the "quotes from his McClurkin affair" that you referred to.

[grantcart]

43. Yep Dean, Kennedy and Saunders all good for nothings

And since the Democrats have taken power Dennis Kucinich has sponsored and actually gotten passed the following important piece of legislation:

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Nice list. One with no office or party positioin

a recently passed away hero, and a wonderful Senator, who is not a Democrat at all. Not one living currently elected Democrat came to mind? Isn't that funny!

[grantcart]

51. All supported or suppor the current legislation and have much greater progressive credentials

than the gadfly Kucinich who in fact never actually gets anything passed.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. I love all of those guys, and I do not need to do name calling

But again. Not one of these progressives you put forth are currently elected Democrats, and that, all Dennisness aside, is ironic, and not to my liking. Is it to yours? Three you named, jobless, deceased, and not in our Party for specific reasons. Not one Democrat. Like it or not, that is telling, and it is sad.

[grantcart]

55. They are chosen for the obvious reason that they are considered

Icons of the progressive movement with even more credentials than Dennis Kucinich but their voting record does not, like DK's frequently vote with Michelle Bachman

By repeating your statement you obviously didn't get the point. Icons of the progressive party have found a way to make their point and still maintain caucus discipline.


If you want to talk about progressive Senators who not only make their point and actually get legislation passed


Kucinich cannot hold a candle to these Senators

Boxer
Harkin
Kerry
Levin
Wyden
Webb
Rockfeller
Feingold


When I was in college everyone was in love with Bonhoeffer. His writings were impressive and his story was moving. The most important point about Bonhoeffer was not his writings, his story or his sacrifice. It was that he failed in his mission.

[Leo The Cleo]

44. He's not a toy progressive!

He and Burris are being standup guys!

[natrat]

56. i fucking hate them, so arrogant and so corrupt