Woman killed by dog while trying to bathe it

[Opusnone]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-cdog19aug19,0,7499075.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15310145.htm

"In a ferocious attack never before seen in Broward County, a powerful, pit-bull-like dog mauled its owner to death Friday afternoon as she tried to give him a bath, police said."

In front of her young daughter, no less. The Presa Canario breed is no stranger to mauling.

[leftofthedial]

1. That cuts it!

bathing dogs should be illegal.

[Dervill Crow]

37. We just play in the sprinkler when it's hot, doggie wipes when it's cold.

Our dog has never raised her hackles at anything but squirrels, but when I say the word "bath," she does give me a look that clearly says, "I am a pit bull, you know." I'm not scared she would bite me, but she can clearly out-maneuver me. Picture a cross between a wet soapy torpedo, a sea otter, and the stubbornness of an 18-month-old child, and that's my Daizie in the shower.

[TomInTib]

2. Precisely the reason we don't bathe our cat.

on edit:

After reading the article, I do not believe that idiot woman should have ever owned a serious dog.

[Webster Green]

3. No shit!

All teeth and claws!:rofl:

[Opusnone]

4. Technically it was the ex-con boyfriend's dog

An $800,000 house on an ex-con landscaper's salary, please tell me how to make that work.

The very people who shouldn't own vicious dogs are the ones who do.

[colorado_ufo]

25. Pink Panther:

"My wife is very frugal with the household money."

[Kickoutthejams23]

35. Really you think...

The dog was clearly used to protect something in the house. I hate to speculate but I'm guessing he didn't make his money stuffing envelopes from home. The real question is how does the ex-con just take off with the womans kids with no peep from the authorities. He is on probation for god's sake. Perhaps the great state of Florida can find a non-felon to raise the now traumatized children.

[leesa]

10. Sounds like she shouldn't have had kids either! Yikes.

My spaniels put on a huge show of hating baths, hiding under the bed, having to drag then to the shower stall, etc., but in reality I think they like it getting scratched all over and petted and such. The first time I put my Springer in the shower stall to get a bath, he jumped from a standing position and nearly cleared the 6 foot high door to get out!

This woman's animals were running wild. It's a good thing they didn't kill others in the neighborhood as well.

[okieinpain]

12. well she doesn't now.

[elehhhhna]

19. our blabbie swims almost every day. no baths required.

[Demit]

5. Wow. It reinforces my decision to begin taking my dog to the groomer's.

And she's only a Scottie! But she hates being brushed and once broke skin. The groomer knows more about dogs than I do and has the proper restraints. It's worth the cost.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

6. Oh, No....

...this simply can't be true! Pitbulls love children and would never hurt them. It is all the owner's fault for training the dog to be overly aggressive. :eyes: :sarcasm:

[Opusnone]

7. Presa Canario, not a Pitbull

But I get your point.

[gully]

8. "It is all the owner's fault for training the dog to be overly aggressive.

Pitbulls are trained to fight and kill other animals, killing a human under those circumstances is not that much of a stretch.

[Opusnone]

11. "some" Pitbulls are trained to fight and kill

Just because they CAN kill, doesn't mean they will if they're not trained to.

Kind of like a soldier.

[TomInTib]

16. That's it.

My mother has 20+ Rottweilers on her ranch.

They are trained to defend and attack.

But trained is the operative word, here.

They will only bark as someone approaches the fence.

Then they become really active if one climbs over the fence, but will still not approach the intruder/calf thief.

But if you get further than 10 feet inside the fence you will never be heard from again.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

45. that's a great sentence

"But if you get further than 10 feet inside the fence you will never be heard from again."

LOL.

[anotherdrew]

26. and I suppose you'd say a lion will only kill if trained to?

these dogs are killers by nature, it should not be legal to have them without special handlers licenses and insurance or posted-bond.

[gully]

30. Do you have any proof of that? I've known "nice" pitbulls, so I'm

talking from personal experience.

Here is "formal" info from the http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html

"Unlike the myth propagated by the media however, human aggression is NOT a problem specific to the Pit Bull breed. In fact, Pit Bulls tend to do better than average in temperament tests.

The American Temperament Test Society provides temperament testing around the country for dog breeds, and gives a passing score for the entire breed based on the percentage of passed over failed within total number of the particular breed tested. As of December 2003, the American Pit Bull Terrier has a current passing rate of 83.9%, and the American Staffordshire Terrier passes at 83.2%. In comparison, The Golden Retriever passing rate is 83.2%

Pit Bull type dogs are wonderful, loving, and very loyal companions. It is important however, to understand the breed's nature, to provide a structured environment, and to establish a positive leadership role. In order to do so, Pit Bull owners must understand the original purpose of the breed, and respect its limit and potential."

[anotherdrew]

33. "It is important however, to understand the breed's nature" which is?

ideal upbringing is not the situation to be considered when dealing with the public risk of dogs.

[gully]

34. In any dog one should consider the nature. However, Pitt bulls are safer

than golden retrievers according to the information I posted.

[Dervill Crow]

38. I love my dog, but . . .

in the early 20th century it was recognized that pit bulls can be great pets. Look at Petey in The Little Rascals, Nipper the RCA dog, and Buster Brown's dog (Tige, was it?). Now all you hear about is the bad ones. Maybe it would be better if the breeding of pit bulls was just stopped.

Personally, I think breeding dogs in general is sad when there are so many in shelters.

[Lost-in-FL]

40. Nevermind

wrong dog

[iamjoy]

44. The Fatalities Tell A Different Story

From 1979 - 1998, pit bulls accounted for over one quarter of dog bite fatalities (by breed).

http://enhs.umn.edu/6120/bites/dogbitefatal.html

[gully]

29. Right.

I should have clarified.

[never_get_over_it]

42. I think they are bred to be fighters

and some are trained to be MORE aggressive - but since there are breeding issues they need to be "trained" to behave... and in the words of Cesar Milan they need rules, boundaries and limitations - so that they don't kill.

[lumpy]

9. Certain breeds of dogs are not to be trusted.

Just like human beings.

[okieinpain]

14. yeah I don't know about the "pit bulls have to be trained to kill" stuff

we have a jack terrier, and she does everything right out of the book. we've had her since she was a pup and it's so funny to see the shit she does that's listed in everything about terriers. so I can't see why certain traits can't be born in an animal.

[Dervill Crow]

39. My Staffie does everything by the book, too.

Attacking humans isn't part of it, although she does push me out of bed if I ignore her when she wants to get up for a snack in the middle of the night. I've learned to speak "dog" very well, and I'm not sure whether I should be amused or concerned that she is being pushy to try to establish dominance.

[flvegan]

41. That doesn't even make sense.

The first statement is certifiably untrue.

The second is twice as suspicious. You're saying that certain "breeds" of people aren't to be trusted? WTF does that mean?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

46. what breeds of human aren't to be trusted? n/t

[elehhhhna]

13. She obviously provoked the attack by ...fill in the blank.

'Cuz soon there will be a pile-on by "dog lovers" who blindly defend psychotic animals.

Watch for it.

[Demit]

31. Still watching.

I see your prognostication failed to come through. Darn stereotypes, don't they always let you down?

[rocktivity]

15. "Pit-bull LIKE?" What a dumb thing to write

Presa Canarios were bred to be pit bulls on steriods. And this one is reported to have weighed 120 pounds. Most telling of all is the history of the owners not practicing due diligence in caring for the dog.

:eyes:
rocknation

[MercutioATC]

17. Same breed that killed that woman in San Francisco about 5 years ago.

Presa Canarios are some powerful dogs.

[LeftyMom]

18. Pressas aren't precisely "pit bull like"

For one thing they're twice as big. To put it another way, the typical pit bull weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 lbs, about as much as my five year old. The typical pressa weighs about as much as I do, and I'm a full grown adult human being and about 120 lbs. There's a hell of a difference, right there.

There's also a hell of a distinction in owners. Unfortunately, in addition to the many wonderful families who have pitties, they are also popular with small time hoods and the backyard breeders who supply them. Pressas, being very large and agressive dogs, are rather popular with more serious criminals, for example the pair that killed a woman in San Francisco several years ago belonged to a white supremacist gang member and were being looked after by his lawyers while he was in prison, at Corcoran if I recall.

[elehhhhna]

20. imagine 120 lbs of this, raised by a moron;

Presa Canario

The Presa Canario (Perro de Presa Canario) is a fearless, forceful breed by nature. The breed originated in the Canary Islands as a fighting dog, and has an inheritance as a catch or gripping dog. The Presa Canario is a true gladiator dog, having athleticism, determination, and a defensive, territorial nature. This breed has proven to be a great family dog if properly trained. The Presa should receive extensive obedience training and socialization, and should be allowed to interact with the family on a daily basis.

[LeftyMom]

21. Scary prospect, isn't it?

Of course, any dog raised by a neglectful, abusive or cruel person is a potential problem, it's just a much bigger potential problem in this case. I'm good with dogs and I'd not want the responsibility of caring for one that outweighs me- if something goes wrong I want to be able to keep the animal under control for it's safety and everybody else's and that's damn near impossible with a creature that's bigger and stronger, without special equipment or a hell of a lot of experience.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

47. yeah and the guy

in the jail painted all sorts of really bad, funny, fantasy artwork with with dogs in it.

and their was some speculation that the one lawyer lady wife who was taking care of the dogs had actually been having sex with the dog/s.

Weird story.

[Spirochete]

22. Wasn't there some woman

killed by two dogs of this breed a few years ago? And the owners were real assbags, and thought it was funny? The woman was gay, if I recall correctly, and the freepers were applauding the killer dogs.

[LostinVA]

23. That's the breed that ravaged Alexis Whipple in San Fran a few years ago

[Irreverend IX]

24. She should have known better...

Than to bathe a vicious dog in Florida. In other states she might have gotten off with a few bites, but the Sunshine State will always find freakish ways to kill its residents.

[anotherdrew]

27. LOL, you're so right n/t

[SlavesandBulldozers]

48. lol

it's true, though I'm surprised the Presa Canario didn't use two hammers, that would have been more like a real Florida story.

[Chomskyite]

28. another Darwin Awards candidate

Why in the Hell can't people go over to the animal shelter and get a damn kitty cat or, if you have to have a dog, a retriever? I guess there are always people who want to play Russian roulette with animals.

[pnwmom]

32. Where I live, almost the ONLY kind of puppy available at the

pound is a pit-bull. Seriously. There are lots of older dogs of different breeds, but among puppies, the majority of available dogs -- by far -- are pit bulls.

We tried to get a puppy through the pound, but eventually gave up. Got one from a breeder.

[Dervill Crow]

36. I adopted an AmStaff puppy so she would have a stable home.

It breaks my heart that so many beautiful dogs are owned by criminals and/or morans and end up destroyed one way or another.

Have to admit that I would be scared of a presa canario.

Added on edit: Pit bulls scare me less than a cocker spaniel or a pissed off cat, but that's just based on personal experience. :-)

When I clicked on the link, I was saying, "Please let it not be another pit bull attack." Bummer all around, but especially for that woman, obviously.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

43. The thing I find amazingly ignorant about this whole thing...

is the fact that the article refers to a Presa as a "pit-bull-like dog," which it's not, and then people start going on about the dangers of Pit Bulls, when they DO NOT even have anything to do with this woman. Also, from the articles, it's extremely clear that she was not qualified to own a presa safely. Some people are. Most aren't. She is definitely one that wasn't and she is just as responsible for what happened as the dog.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

49. its logical to talk about pits in the same context though.

pits or presas, it's like how do you want your mauling?