Man attempts suicide in store parking lot

[jmowreader]

I'd post a link to this except there isn't one yet, as the story will post on http://www.cdapress.com after 12:01am, December 20.

At 12:30 this afternoon, someone attempted to commit suicide in the parking lot of a (locally owned, and very good) supermarket in Post Falls, Idaho. The man pulled out a gun right in the middle of the parking lot and shot himself with it. No one else was injured, and the man is on life support at the hospital.

[Vickers]

1. And...?

:shrug:

[jmowreader]

4. Well, we don't know

This is the holiday season, and the guy who runs that chain of supermarkets likes Christmas very much--not because he makes a lot of money during the Christmas season (actually, he makes very little money during the Christmas season because he reduces a lot of his prices so you can afford to buy more product--cans of olives for 39 cents?) but because he just likes Christmas.

Anyway, you have a lot of people around here with no jobs, not a hell of a lot of hope, maybe it just got to the guy. Couple suicidal depression with WAY too many guns, and this is what happens.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. And it IS the holidays

suicides go up in a normal year, let alone a recession one.

That was one aspect of the job as a medic I absolutely hated.

[fasttense]

13. Actually that is a myth. Suicides don't go up during the Holidays.

Actually the Spring, in particular May, has the highest number of suicides in the US.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/288598-overview

[Vickers]

9. Sooo...an anti-gun thread, cloaked in a sympathy thread, covered in a

"small town shopkeeper cutting prices and struggling to get through the holiday season" thread .

Got it.

Thanks!

:rofl:

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[Vickers]

21. Namecalling, blueamy66?

Tsk, tsk.

[Paladin]

19. We'll Get Back To You With The Caliber Of Gun That Was Used.

That's generally all that our resident Gun Enthusiasts care about in instances like this....

[Vickers]

22. Sounds like he didn't choose wisely. n/t

:eyes:

[jmowreader]

23. Except for the third part...

The supermarket this guy tried to kill himself at is called Super 1. The man who owns it has run it for the past 40 years. He has supermarkets in three states, and he's doing (for a supermarket owner) extremely well. If you were to go into one of these stores, you'd look around and think, "this is a locally owned store?"

His prices are low at Christmas because he wants them to be.

[Mojorabbit]

2. Sad. So many people need a hand

even if just an ear to listen. It is tough especially around the holidays.

[gateley]

3. I know. My heart breaks just imagining the depths of despair. Where ending

it all seems the only option. :cry:

[SoCalDem]

6. and he probably chose that spot, so that someone would find him fast

and that would not be a family member who would have to clean up the mess..:cry:

I read about a suicide once (years ago when we took the Chicago newspaper).. this guy gave himself an enema, inserted a catheter, wrapped himself in plastic (in the storage unit in the basement of the apartment building), and then shot himself.. His suicide note mentioned that he did not want to make a "mess"..:(

[Raine]

10. Aw that is so sad

the poor person was in such pain but still thought about others and didn't want to leave a mess, heartbreaking. :cry:

[malaise]

16. How sad is that

:cry:

[gateley]

18. Oh God - even more sad. Don't you wish you could just HOLD these people

and tell them you care?

[jimmie]

20. Thats really true

esp. in this season.

[Skip Intro]

7. I just don't understand suicide. How ever bad things are, isn't it better to be alive?

I exclude people with terminal illnesses here - and totally support one's right to opt for a merciful passage when faced with certain death anyway. And hell, if someone decides to end his life, I guess that really is his own business, the ultimate expression of freedom.

But life is full of ups and downs for all of us. I think the majority of us have faced despair at one point or another. If I could pull someone from a ledge, I would.

I don't know what to read into this particular incident. Too little information. But Lord, we're all going to die anyway, why rush that?

[SoCalDem]

8. When you are seriously depressed, life is the hardest thing to endure

I know it's not rational, but when you are depressed, you are no longer rational.. That's why it's no problem to stay in bed for days on end (why get up?) It's not rational to stay in bed day after day, but sleeping is better than being awake.. and being dead is like being permanently asleep:(

[tkmorris]

11. Then I think you profess your ignorance

Please don't misunderstand. I am not insulting you. But if you truly cannot understand what drove this then you have not experienced the depth of despair he has. It is not the "down" side of life's ups and downs. It is a down so deep there is no way out; there is no hope of an up to follow it. I don't think you have ever faced true despair because if you had you would know.

[Skip Intro]

12. Perhaps you are correct. However...

I have seen the world, everything around me, as empty and black. I have been in situations of hopelessness. I remember them clearly. I built a floor. Mentally. After I came out of it, I built a floor through which I would never fall again. That floor is there to this day.

I could tell you of my adventures in despair. But I don't really want to. My point was that when faced with self-inflicted death or the continuance of life, why chose death? It will come anyway. While you are alive, you have some chance. Some chance of something good happening. Some chance to create something good within your life.

Of course my deepest sympathies are with those who see no other alternative than to take their own lives. And yes, I have been to that dark and hopeless state of mind. But that is what it is, a state of mind. Maybe I'm bragging about taking myself from that perversion of reality into what I can call a tolerable, even happy existence.

Maybe others have fallen further than I did. Maybe I am ignorant of their plight. But I would tell them the same thing. Death is certain. It is coming. There is a limited time on this planet. For all of us. If things haven't worked out the way you wanted them to, start again. Why hasten death which is on it's way anyway? Get up, look in the mirror, and do what you can for yourself while you're here.

[Anakin Skywalker]

14. .

[Skip Intro]

15. South Carolina red enough?

I've got no job. My house is scheduled to be sold at foreclosure auction on Jan. 5. Friends? None. Except for my cat, and even she's hard to find most of the time. Growing older. Alone. Crap for a car. Floating bad checks to make it to the next unemployment allowance. Dark enough for you?

But still, still, I'd rather row this tiny boat upon severe seas than to jump into the water and end it all. I'm still alive. I'm still breathing. And I'll die sooner than I want. I see no need to rush it.

[Waiting For Everyman]

24. I really loved what you wrote, Skip Intro.

Tomorrow might be anything. We think we know what it will be, but we really don't. I think it's so sad that people give up, when something better might've been ahead for them.

Just a thought on your house (because I'm in the same boat more or less)... have you thought about maybe filing a do-it-yourself bankruptcy? If you file before the sale date, the sale is stopped and you can fight longer. Maybe six months or so. Who knows, you might even win. You can find info on how to file online from the BK court's website.

http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/Bankruptcy.aspx

I'm assuming that you don't have a way to challenge the foreclosure. But maybe you do. A group that helps with that is NACA (there are others, just an example). Also try your state Attorney General's office and the state Bar Association for sources of "pro bono" (free or low cost) help:

https://www.naca.com/index_main.jsp

Both the BK and the FC cases can be pursued at the same time. A BK stops the foreclosure sale, giving you time to file a defense to the FC in state court. But the BK must be filed before the sale takes place, and there also needs to be a notice of it put in the FC court file. Check instructions on the court site and read up on it online.

A couple of sites that are good hubs of information:
www.4closurefraud.org
http://livinglies.wordpress.com

(I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. I'm just someone in the same situation who is defending myself (so far), so I know it can be done if no other help is available.)

Anyway, SI... my very best hopes to you for valuing life as much as you do. I think you are 100% right. And it takes real strength when things are bad, to still hold onto that belief in life. That's when it really means something, and has credibility. It's easy to appreciate life when everything is roses.

[kdmorris]

25. I have contemplated it in the past

The only thing that kept me from doing it was that my ex-husband would have gotten my very young daughters.

It was one of the darkest periods in my life. I had no job, had just been through a nasty divorce, was unable to care for my daughters and KNEW that they deserved better. One night, I sat there in the cold living room with no electricity (and no hope of getting it back on for 2 weeks) and I was sure that their life would be better if they had a different mother.

It's been 16 years since that night and life has gotten a lot better. I realize now that, no matter how poor we were and how bad our plight, they wouldn't have been better off with my ex-husband and knowing their mother had killed herself.

One of my daughters' friends woke up on Mother's Day a few years ago to find that her mother had committed suicide. She still grieves and suffers. She and her brother have been split up and sent to different relatives. But her mother was in so much pain, her life was so awful at that one moment that she felt she was doing her children a favor (according to the note) by not being there for them.

I know she was wrong, because I've seen what has become of her daughter and son over the years, but I understand the amount of pain she was in to make such a bad decision.