2 shot near South Side church (Chicago)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

Source: AP

CHICAGO - Authorities say two teenage boys were wounded in a drive-by shooting near St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church on Chicago's South Side.

Officer Michael Fitzpatrick of the Chicago Police News Affairs office says the two were shot on the street Friday evening near West 78th St. and South Racine Ave. Fitzpatrick says the two ran into the elementary school gym at St. Sabina, which is about half a block from the church.

Adults at the gym administered first aid and called 911.

The two wounded youths were taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where one was reported in critical condition Friday night and the other was reported in stable condition.

St. Sabina's paster, the Reverend Michael Pfleger (FLAY'-ger), is a longtime activist against gang violence.

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-stsabinashooting,0,909719.story

[sharesunited]

1. Thanks Second Amendment!

You are such a treasured right.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. Thank you for caring about all of our rights, not just a select few

[sharesunited]

8. That so-called "right" is depriving too many of ALL their rights.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. The stats there are disagree and the unobtainable one is key

How many times does the display of a weapon or that the potential victim might be armed deter a perp.

[sharesunited]

22. Another unknowable. How many times does the perp's access to a gun embolden the criminal attempt?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

4. Never miss an opportunity to turn someone's tragedy into your personal political soapbox.

[sharesunited]

6. Their tragedy is our tragedy.

It's senseless and emblematic of our indulgence of gunnies.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. Yet you always fail to mention any sympathy for the victims or their families. Ambulance chaser.

That's about the best you could hope for as a title.

[sharesunited]

11. Such a Tragedy, Now Carry On Dying.

That's what I hear from the gun worshippers.

I find that unacceptable, and wish to state so.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

12. I find your supposed anguish disingenuous and wish to state so.

[sharesunited]

13. My anguish is genuine, and reflects my concern about my own safety and those I know.

The manner in which strangers are paying the price for your politics has personal relevance to me that way.

See how it works?

[Pavulon]

16. He is a banger, or continues drug law?

that would be the factors that stack bodies. You see canada and others have access to weapons and none of this. Wonder why?

[sharesunited]

18. Canada doesn't indulge gun love, it indulges French speaking.

[Pavulon]

20. Oh yeah , never heard anything but love in canada about that..

but they dont shoot each other over it. Just share insults and all hate newfys (apparently).

[ProgressiveProfessor]

24. Differences are historical and cultural, and are not relevant

unless you want to include the Swiss experience.

[madmom]

25. I have genuine angst and fear every time I drive down the road. I know several people

who have been killed by people liking to drive a bit too fast. Should we ban cars?

[sharesunited]

26. Cars aren't manufactured for the purpose of killing and injuring.

[madmom]

27. But they still do just because people feel like joy riding.Something needs to be done, lots of

innocent people die because some people don't follow the law. This doesn't even address the people who drive without a license, drink and drive, or are too old to drive. If I remember my stats more people die from autos than guns.Oh and there are people out there who use cars/trucks to purposely kill themselves and others.

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[sharesunited]

28. If I am anywhere on or near the road, I have chosen to take my chances with cars.

What assumption of risk have I knowingly made when bullets are fired at me?

I understand the point you are trying to make, madmom. But you must try harder to make it.

[madmom]

31. I don't think I should have to assume a risk that I might die in a car wreck because I want to

drive across town to get groceries. That's a chance I/we must take to live in a free society along with many others. I don't like driving on the same road with semis, they scare the shit out of me, should I be allowed to demand they be outlawed?
I think my point is made. Some people are afraid of guns,some are afraid of semis, some are afraid of strangers. Should we be allowed to take someone's rights away because of our personal fears? I have been around guns all my life and I don't know of anyone who has been killed or even injured by a gun, I wish I could say the same about cars/trucks.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. So your irrational fear drives you. Got it.

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7. I'll drink to that.

What I won't drink to is gang banging shit-stains with a chip on their shoulder, illegally possessing firearms in a city where firearms are either prohibited or severely regulated.

I as a law abiding gun owner should not be expected to "compromise" on or accept "common sense" gun control laws on a Constitutional right because Shitcago (or any other city), has a maggot problem.

[sharesunited]

10. Your Hello Kitty rendering

says all anyone needs to know about how warm and fuzzy you feel about convenient killing power.

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15. You too?

:eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6073288#6073715

It's a cartoon character that's part mockery, part humor, part in your face and part displaying my support and belief in our
2nd amendment rights.

Some of you anti-gun folks are reaaally wound up too tight.

[sharesunited]

17. You're quite sure that it's us who can't take a joke and not you who is

deliberately causing offense by morphing violence into cuddliness?

This image represents your principles?

Support and belief in ... ? ?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

34. There is no right not to be offended

If something offends you, don't look at it.

If someone's rights offend you, go take a look at your beliefs. Your anti gun bigotry and prejudice should tell you you need to reexamine them

[The abyss]

23. The 2nd was never about “self defense”, or “hunting”. Those were a given of the culture.

The 2nd was written as a guarantee to the “militia” of the time period. The un-organized militia that had fought for their homes, villages & neighbors from before the French/Indian wars. This militia was any and all individuals that could stand on their own feet and fire an aimed round at an enemy. These were people who responded to a crisis at the local level.

The concept of a newly formed central/federal government was a very scary idea to that original “militia”. The need of a centralized government was heavily discussed throughout the publication of the Federalist Papers and most of the counter points (probably provided by Madison) addressed the needs of those fears. The 2nd was provided, as a guarantee that those “militia” (the common people) would always have the power to take down any federal government they felt was a danger.

We, the people, gave up that right with the passage of the 1934 Firearms Act.

Prior to the 1934 Firearms Act you or any other citizen could send their money to the factory and have their own liquid cooled Browning delivered to their door (and that included anything and everything manufactured at the time). Want grenades, mortars, a nice field piece, a dozen Thompsons – send the money and it was yours.

The government feared repercussions from the events of the 1932 Bonus March, they feared a return of an armed populace.

That is why this argument continues.

[sharesunited]

29. Was the 1934 Firearms Act challenged on 2A grounds?

[The abyss]

32. Yes

United States v. Miller

Short synopsis here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Miller was a “gang banger” of the late 30s. The case is still high profile discussion in constitutional law.

Interesting, at least to me, that it took the case of a common bank robber to the Supreme Court on a constitutional issue.

As far as I’m concerned it shows just how far removed the people were from the individuals that formed this nation. But then again the American people had already been sold on a variety of causes from the civil war through the Spanish American war, the Philippine Insurrection, the 1st world war, the Volstead Act… ad nauseum.

However be careful with the 2nd; most do not have a clue what it was written for. But more and more wake up everyday!

[proteus_lives]

33. God forbid you blame the criminals.

[madrchsod]

3. daley wants the Olympics...

i wonder if he`ll put plywood like his old man did in 68...

[frazzled]

5. Oh dear, Father Pfleger has been an admirable soldier in the fight against guns and violence

A few months ago, another young teenage boy, 14 years old, was shot in a drive by on the South Side. He happened to be the cousin of my husband's teaching assistant, and so it particularly touched us. We called the boy's school to find out if they had set up a fund yet, or to ask what we could do, and they told us that day they were too busy: they were having a rally at the school on gun violence. Father Pfleger was also taking a group of them down to the state capitol at Springfield to confront the legislators about gun control measures.

It was that day that I got curious about the Reverend, and about his church, St. Sabina's, and his work to stop gang violence and redunce gun crimes. You may remember his name from the primaries and elections: they tried to tar Obama with Father Pfleger's "radical" mission. You can read Father Pfleger's letter from just one month ago, titled "When Do We Say Enough?"

http://www.saintsabina.org/Preventing-Violence/when-do-we-say-enough.html


It is truly horrifying what is happening in our city.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. He makes a brief statemnet in this video. His face says it all.

http://www.wgntv.com/wgntv-sabina-shooting-july17,0,6204071.story

[onehandle]

19. Too bad the kids weren't armed.

They could have gone all Dirty Harry and wiped out some scum.

That's what happens to you when you're packing, right?

At least according to the denizens of the guns dungeon.

[ManiacJoe]

30. That is a possible outcome.

At least for those who carry legally. Children cannot do that, nor does anyone want them to; but then you already knew that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

36. Please stop making stupid and illegal suggestions.