illinois du ers, please tell rahm emmanuel to get fucked

[mopinko]

check out this thread in lbn, then call rahm and tell him to support the grass roots, or be put out to pasture.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1857980&mesg_id=1857980

[Inland]

1. Nah.

It's a republican district. Listening to the grass roots means, what?

Anyone that wants to support Cegelis can support her. But hurry. Rahm Emmanuel's job is to fund winners.

[mopinko]

2. winners=rich guys?

really, i think primary races are a good thing. there is not one on the other side, so that will help get press to pay attention. i have great faith that christine would win. but this f'ing attitude that money is only thing that matters is why our party has screwed us.

[wndycty]

3. Mopinko, I have to disagree

Cegalis will be a disaster as a candidate, she might make a good Congresswoman, but she has to win. Despite her good showing against Hyde she will lose to Roskam. In a Republic district like the 6th a far right beats a far left candidate, however a moderate Democrat beats a far right candidate. Additionally, Cegalis has no money and she has horrible management of her $$$, trust me. I know we want every Democrat to be a true progressive, however we need to win this seat and I trust Rahm on this. I'm hearing some good things about potential candidates. I supported O'Malley, but he did not have the chops, I can't get excited about Cegalis, sorry.

[mopinko]

4. what do we have a dccc for?

if not to lend the expertise needed to candidates that would be good reps, but need help getting elected?? if the party only has to go out there and get her 7%, and they are chicken shit to do that, fuck them. if we cannot enlighten the middle in dupage county, where they can actually read and write, how the hell do we compete in the south?
if we cannot get out there and make the case for real dems, then we should fold up the tent and go home. we do not need another bean. we do not need more old hacks. we do not need pink tutus.
sorry windy, rahm and his dlc, "only money counts, only winning counts" bullshit are not what this party means to me. out thugging the thugs is a game where even winners lose. this shit is a cancer.
i got a fundraising call from the dnc the other day, and they got an earful. i told them when they can tell me what they are doing to help christine, they can call me back. when they get someone to run against manzullo, they can call me back. if all we stand for is winning, we will fall for anything.

[wndycty]

5. We do not need another Bean?

Mo-

How do the people in the 8th feel about Melissa? All politics are local, who cares how we outside of a district feel about a candidate, its the people in the district. ALL POLITICS are local. If Cegalis can't win in the 6th we should back a Democrat who can. Its a US Representative, which means the candidate must represent the district not DU.

[mopinko]

12. then what does it mean to be a party?

give me a break windy. this is not an election for the naperville city council.
you like bean so much, and think she is doing such a great job, why don't you think that christine is about to step into her footprints?
you can push your own pick, here, just cut the b.s. primary fights are fine. pushing candidates out, and challenging people who don't tow the line are not.
the democratic party freaking well better stand for fair play and a clean fight.

[wndycty]

15. As someone who lives in neither the 6th or 8th I yeild to the residents. .

. . .of those districts, however I also will do what I can to support the Dems that can win. Obviously if the Democrats of the 8th (not the the Democrats of the DU) are really disatisfied with Bean they will make sure she has a healthy challenger in the primary.

Now as for Cegalis, she is having a hard time raising money and if she were truly the front runner I'm sure the Democrats in the 6th (trust me there is some decent Democrat cash out there) would be lining up to throw money at her but they are not. Additionally, I understand that she has done a horrible job managing whatever funds she does have. For her to have run against Hyde in 2004 no one, not even Rahm Emanuel, would think about having someone else as the Democratic nominee 2006 if she were all that popular with the voters of the 6th CD. Additionally, my sources tell me that many political veterans (insiders who yeild clout) who supported and worked for Cegalis in 2004 are not interested in supporting her in 2006. Think about this, she was one of Dean's Dozen and he is not really protecting her against the DCCC, that should be very telling.

I know money is not everything, but its a good marker of a candidates viability. I have heard some excellent things about the individual that may be put up against Cegalis and I'm very encouraged.

Given the demographics of the 8th district the best way for a Democrat to beat Phil Crane was for that candidate to be a moderate to conservative Democrat and I believe the same applies to the 6th district. If you know anything about me you will know that I'm to the left of Teddy Kennedy, however I'm also very pragmatic about politics and the first thing to remember is that all politics is local.

[mopinko]

16. she got 44% of the vote!

unless voters from outside the district did that, she has support in the 6th. come on. how are you measuring the will of the citizens? if you are equating money with support? i thought the way you measured support was by getting signatures on a petition.
ya know, i started to write a more angry response here, and i lost it. so i will ask a more considered question- how do we keep our ideals, and still win? if we say winning is all that matters, and we play this kind of backroom bs, then this is not the party that progressives want. this is the point in the process where money trumps principle. so what do we do? this party has to figure out how to honor the process, not the outcome. we have to figure out how to support the primary process, not manipulate it. it is fine for the dccc to find a good candidate to run out there, (yeah, that's local, sure, sure) it's another to deliberately undermine a candidate that has paid her dues for 3 years.
and we are a national party. the dnc is calling me and asking me for money for congressional races across the country. i guess i get to say in proportion to my dollars. proportional representation? pragmatism is for the general election. we should show our ideals in the primaries. measure the will of the people in the 6th by giving them a real choice in the primary. not by shoving someone down their throat from d.c.
you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, honey.

[Adelante]

6. It doesn't look from this that she's being pushed away

by party leadership. Maybe the Sun article is off base?

Friday, October 21, 2005
Cegelis Reporting for Bootcamp
A correspondent passed along this update from the Cegelis for Congress campaign:

National Democrats know the sixth congressional district is one of the top races in the country. They know that it will be a hard fight.

And they know Christine can win.

Christine and her top staff will be heading to Phoenix this weekend for an invitation-only congressional campaign boot camp hosted by AFSCME and national party leaders.

Party leaders know Christine can beat the Republican hand-picked by Washington. They are helping Christine this weekend with networking opportunities and important training. Christine will have the opportunity to meet top party leaders like Nancy Pelosi and retired Gen. Wesley Clark, as well as important union leadership.

The national party knows how important this race is. And they know Christine is the right woman to break the corrupt Republican stranglehold on the sixth congressional district.

http://austinmayor.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_austinmayor_archive.html#112994809424569408

[wndycty]

7. Look for Wes Clark or better yet Paul Hackett in a skirt. . .

. . .to emerge as a Democratic challenger in the 6th. . .that is all I'm saying.

[Adelante]

8. Huh?

Wes Clark is going to run in IL? Your humor is too sophisticated for me, wndy. WTF?

How are ya? :hi:

[wndycty]

9. No read it again. . .Wes Clark or better yet Paul Hacket in a skirt. . .

. . .now we know Wes is progressive, but he don't wear no stinkin' skirts. . .not that there is anything wrong with it.

I'm doing good, and you?

[Adelante]

10. Ah, a military lady candidate

Dogman had to explain it to me :D

[wndycty]

11. I'm not saying, I'm just saying (wink)

:kick:

A little birdie told me, and this little birdie is pretty reliable.

[mopinko]

13. wes clark

fyi, i am not the big of a fan of wes clark. there is a lot to like about him, but i never liked the way that he got into the race. he had the smell of someone what somebody sent. he still does, imho.

[wndycty]

14. Yeah he was sent, by the hundreds of thousands who drafted him. . .

. . .you can't be a big supporter of the "grassroots" and not acknowledge that the true "grassroots" candidate was the one who responded to the literally hundred of thousands of us who drafted him. I remember being on a conference call with Charlie Rangel days before the General announced his campaign and he was asking us (the draft movement) what we all could to encourage the General to run.

Seriously Mopinko, you ask for love for the "grassroots" then you go on to say that you never really liked the way that one of the biggest grassroots candidates os 2004 got into the race.

[mopinko]

17. i didn't say he was the devil

but his name did not arise out of the air. someone started that buzz, and that someone wanted to stop howard dean. i don't even want to start a dean war here. but whatever support emerged for clark, he was sent to stop dean.
and i don't think he is really telling the truth now. he is going around saying "oh, they have no plan for iraq" when in fact, they have a plan, it is to steal everything that they can. this "bumbling idiots" disguise they are getting away with ought to be ripped away. wes could do it. but he is not.
no hard feelings here, windy. bring on your candidate. fight a fair fight. i will work for the winner. but stick to the high road here. and find someone to run against manzullo, damn it.

[truebrit71]

19. I'm sorry but that is complete horseshit...

..no-one sent Wes Clark, he was drafted...I know, I was one of the folks that helped get him in the race....

Laying your Dean-Paranoia on Wesley Clark as the Hillary candidate is making you sound silly....the "liberal" media did the good doctor in...NOT Wes Clark...

Also, please pay particular attention to the positive things General Clark has said about the chairman of the DNC, ESPECIALLY when all of the other spineless bastards in the party couldn't run away fast enough...

[mucifer]

18. Interesting article in WaPo about young dems

Obama and Emmanuel are discussed. It's a positive article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102200969.html

Young Democrats Sharpen Tactics Against Old Rivals
New Breed on Hill Works Aggressively To Snap GOP Grip

By Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 23, 2005; Page A04

With the Capitol all but deserted last Monday night, the Democratic "30-Something Working Group" seized the House floor and took aim at their Republican adversaries.

As C-SPAN cameras beamed their performance around the country, Rep. Timothy J. Ryan, 32, of Ohio and Rep. Kendrick Meek, 39, of Florida recited a litany of GOP misdeeds -- mismanaging Hurricane Katrina and neglecting education and health care, for example -- and offered the Democrats' alternatives.

Their conversation even veered to religion, a subject many Democrats are afraid to touch. Ryan described the problems of the poor as a moral obligation and asked of Meek: "Where is the Christian Coalition when you are cutting poverty programs? They are fighting over Supreme keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, marks a generational divide in a party long dominated by Northeastern liberals and Southern conservatives.popularity was high. They went along with his tax cuts, backed the war in Iraq and helped adopt a controversial Medicare prescription drug program. This year, however, the Democrats began pushing back more, even before the uproar over the administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina. By standing united, they helped to block Bush's plan to create private accounts in the Social Security system.



that's just the beginning of the article. It goes on. I dont agree with all of the ideas of the young dems. Yet, the article is an interesting read. The problem is that dems can scream all they want on the floor of congress. But, if they are in the minority and the press doesn't cover what they say we are still in trouble.