how long will we endure DST?

[ropi]

Okay..Day one has finished and I've heard so many complaints about it that I wonder how much longer will we have to remain on BITCHMITCH's timezone?

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

1. Till

We vote his ass out in 08!

[DemonGoddess]

2. ya know...

I always hated DST growing up. It was so VERY nice to not have to fiddle with the clocks last year:grr:..

I always had the hardest time with the spring change.

[hippiechick]

3. I don't understand the furor ...

... except that for obstinate Hoosiers, it's change.

I grew up with DST in Wisconsin and it's really, truly, honestly NO BIG DEAL.
Twice a year you have to fiddle with your clock and either go to bed a lil' earlier & double check your schedule ahead of time.

[thinkingwoman]

5. Change is usually good

especially when it means actual progress.

Change for change's sake is not good. It's pointless. And so is DST. Nothing is saved, anywhere. It's a stupid concept, and a stupid practice.

[hippiechick]

6. But it brings us on par with the rest of the country ...

... so we're not the sore thumb of the continental US ... "America's Time Zones ? Yeah, there's east, central, mountain, pacific, and INDIANA." :eyes:

[thinkingwoman]

7. I've heard this argument forever

and I'm looking forward to everyone who believes it finding out it just doesn't matter. It never did.

Businesses will not do better because we change our clocks.

Implementing DST in Indiana has only further confused people inside and outside of the state.

I'm making plenty of popcorn. Want some?

:popcorn:

[hippiechick]

8. I didn't say anything about business or any of that ...

... just that for once in its life, Indiana needs to play the same tune as the rest of the country, rather than acting like the retarded cousin in the attic.

[izzybeans]

9. .

:rofl:

So true.

[thinkingwoman]

10. Sorry, those arguments hold hands

Indiana should change their time so that they match "the rest of the country"...

I don't think refusing to engage in the folly of DST makes Indiana "the retarded cousin in the attic." In fact, I think refusing to engage in DST is the smart thing to do.

I'm looking forward to the day when DST is exposed for the absolute BS that it is.

[hippiechick]

11. ah yes, back on ignore ya go ...

:eyes:

[thinkingwoman]

16. wow, some people

have such a low threshhold for opinions they don't share. :shrug:

[salin]

19. As duers - I love ya both

have always learned a great deal from both of you.

[thinkingwoman]

22. I actually really like Hippiechick

She seems like a strong, intelligent, outspoken woman and we can never have too many of those in Indiana as far as I'm concerned.

I really do get on her nerves though, I've noticed. I don't mean to, but I seem to be pretty good at it. :shrug:

Like you, however, I do learn a lot from her posts. And I enjoy talking to her for those brief times when I'm not on her ignore list.

Oh well.

Hey, btw, I'm feelin' the love! Back at ya! :hug:

[Chiyo-chichi]

32. I share that sentiment.

thinkingwoman, hippiechick, and salin... three of my favorite DUers, Hoosiers or not.

[salin]

15. Frankly it is the one time I think it acts as one of the smart kids

in the neighborhood who has decided not to be a lemming.

Different strokes/opinions and all that. But the differing opinions have nothing to do with intelligence, nor insulation, as being one who is fairly intelligent - and has lived on both coasts and another midwestern area (and thus not simply provincial)- who doesn't agree with your view. At the same time, I won't judge you for your opinion. Fair?

[thinkingwoman]

17. you've lived on the west coast?

What did you think about it?

I've lived east coast, midwest, and Florida (which is different from anywhere and everywhere it seems) but I've never been farther west than Missouri.

[salin]

18. I loved it.

Lived in the Bay Area of California for nearly six years in the nineties. Moved for grad school. Incredibly differnt than anywhere else I have lived - even the corporate world expressed (monetarily, policywise, etc.) a need to be involved in social investment issues like education. Have never lived anywhere else where that was the case. I would have stayed out there indefinitely if a) I wasn't so far from my family, and b) working in the nonprofit/public sector one could not afford to live in the region and have any kind of savings for the future.

This is part of while I feel so attached to b-ton. Not only did I grow up there, but I came back from California and worked at the U, with a lot of folks with a west-coast world view (having done grad school at some of the top West Coast Us). I really share more of a world view with many in Bton than I do with those I live/work with in Indy during the week. That said, those I work with in INdy are concerned with urban poverty/education/families etc - so there is a strong liberal sense as well. Hope that helps explain my sentiment I expressed just the other day - that while I live in two communities (more in Indy than in Bton) that I really don't come into contact on a regular basis with views that are typical of most hoosiers. I appreciate your views as you come across many more diverse and representative views than I do on a regular basis.

[thinkingwoman]

23. Sounds great

I think I've never considered living out there because I typically do work that doesn't pay enough to live comfortably there. That's why I don't live on the east coast as well. I absolutely love NYC (which is weird for someone who grew up in a rural community of 5,000 people).

I've lived 15 out of the past 21 years of my life in Blgtn, which is the vast majority of my adult life, and, like you, I think I share the world view here. That diversity you mention comes from strong ties to my hometown, which is filled with good old boy/girl republicans. I hope that my ability to speak fluent rural red state republican is an asset to DU. It should be good for something, afterall. :evilgrin:

I really admire that you're working with people trying to help Indy's urban poverty situation. There are so many good people born and raised in that city that need and richly deserve the hand up. We Hoosiers are strong and proud people and despite our red state status and voting habits, we do care about our fellow citizens, and fairness, and equality. Indy has so much potential.

One thing though...does that commute beat up your car? My first hubby used to commute between Blgtn and Indy and we went through tires and alignments like crazy!

[salin]

24. I only do the round trip on (most) weekends

I live in Indy during the week. My daily commute is fifteen minutes - mostly due to traffic. :D

[Proud Liberal Dem]

66. DST does not a more "advanced" State make

Of course, there are SO many things that Indiana can and should do to stop "acting like the retarded cousin in the attic" And it does NOT involve DST! I think that we can all think of at least a few things....................... :banghead:

[jwtravel]

75. Reason for change?

If there's no TANGIBLE net benefit to making a change, then the change should NOT be made. Playing the same tune as the rest of the country is not a tangible benefit and in my opinion doesn't come close to being enough of a reason to change to DSL. After putting up with DSL through July 4, my opinion is that it stays light too far into the evening, the "clock evening" that is. It has severely messed up my sleep pattern - I guess my mind and body heavily rely on environmental cues to start my sleep process.

[thinkingwoman]

76. Amen. nt.

[newyawker99]

77. Hi jwtravel!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[IndianaGreen]

78. I agree with you, jwtravel

and whoever challenges Daniels for Governor in 2008 should make make it an issue by calling for a return to "God's time."

:P

[salin]

14. and Arizona.

also between a "natural break" and thus doesn't observe DLS - but is west coast part of the year and mountain time part of the year.

[tulip]

12. It isn't a big deal.

Not being able to pay your heating bills is a big deal, losing a job is a big deal, breast cancer is a big deal, having Bush as our president is a big deal.........DST NOT such a big deal!

I like having the extra hour of daylight after work. I like being able to jump across the border into MI and OH and not have to change my watch. But if DST was gone tommorow it still wouldn't be such a big deal.

best wishes marie

[salin]

13. I grew up with both (for a time Indiana did DLS)

and as an adult have lived with both. I far prefer no DLS. Why? I tend to commute - and there is always a point where the sun is in the eyes during the commute during the commute in, and the commute home - with DLS that often happens FOUR times a year instead of twice a year.

Additionally it is worse being on the far end of a zone (east or west) rather than being more central - as the time of light vs dark gets more extreme. When I lived on East Coast time in DC it didn't stay light as late in the evening in June, as it did in Michigan (where I was further east than I am now). Think about it - it is now, in April - light at 8 pm. How late will it be light in June?

Having lived away from Indiana in different time zones, it was easy to keep track of time in Indiana compared to the other time zones. The whole "hardship on business" thing makes no sense to me - esp since Arizona is the same - that one for a week or two a year has to think about the time change before making the calls.

Living with both - I have loved not living with DLS (esp on the far frings west of a timezone).

[IndianaGreen]

21. The problem is that we are on the Eastern Time Zone

when it is obvious we belong to the Central Time Zone, as Wisconsin is.

[bfam9913]

25. You don't get something for nothing.

Especially with respect to daylight hours. Do you want it to get dark at 4:00 p.m.? That's what winter time on CST will do for you.

[salin]

27. In the six years I have lived back here in my home state,

I can't recall it ever being dark at 4 pm. Central time in the winter in Indiana hasn't ever seen it dard at 4 pm (the time most of Indiana has been on in the winter for years.) Is there somewhere in Indiana where this has been the case?

[DrGonzoLives]

31. Just across the border

When I lived noth of Chicago, on the lake, it was getting dark by 4:30 - that's about 20 miles west of the Indiana state line. So if CST is observed statewide, that's when it's getting dark in the wintertime after you turn the clocks back. I frequently drove to work in the dark, then drove home in the dusk.

[thinkingwoman]

33. what's your definition of dark?

I define dark as requiring lights to see outside (ie, sun down at least an hour, past twilight, etc.)

The sun doesn't even set by 4:30 in the middle of Indiana on the winter solstice, so it's simply not possible for it to be "dark" by 4:30 on CST.

Seriously.

Time should be regulated such that the sun is directly overhead at 12 noon. In Indiana, even on the eastern border, the sun is overhead at noon central standard time.

Having Indiana practice EDT is simply assinine. It will be repealed, possibly before we even get a chance to kick my bitch mitch out of office.




edited to change "and" to "as" and "our" to "hour" so the sentence actually makes sense. :eyes:

[bfam9913]

36. In the Evannsville area where I grew up...

It dark enough for the streetlights to kick on around 4:00 p.m. or very shortly thereafter. In my personal opinion, when the streetlights kick on, it's dark.

[thinkingwoman]

37. hmmm

our streetlights come on at dusk here...dark takes another 45 mins to an hour after that, depending on cloudcover, etc.

[bfam9913]

35. Evansville is always on Central time year round.

This was the case for the 4 southwestern tip counies of the state. I grew up there and I know that it gets dark around 4:00 p.m. in the winter time. A friend of mine accompanied me to that area during the winter a few years back and he commented on how weird it was. I realize that E'ville is the illegitimate, red-headed, step-child of the state but, it does get dark around 4:00 p.m. during the winter time there while being on CST.

Most of IN was always on EST year round. The only areas that stayed on the CST and also observed DST were in the southwest and a few counties up around Chcago.

[salin]

39. Ah - thanks - I was working from the EST experience.

I think it flip of the problem I was describing of being on the far west end of the eastern time zone, you describe the problems of being on the far east end of the central time zone.

[bfam9913]

40. It's always confusing, isn't it?

I believe that you are correct. One has to know which time zone is being referenced when they make a statement of experience of any kind. Most of IN doesn't even know that, in the past, there were 4 south-western counties and a few north-western counties that were always in the central time zone and the observed DST. I grew up in that south-western area.

[thinkingwoman]

43. I grew up in south central Indiana

and know full well about the counties around Evansville and Louisville that changed their clocks.

In fact, I think most of Indiana has been quite capable of keeping several times in their head year round, which makes the whole "everyone was so confused" about the time argument so ridiculous! Maybe Hoosiers are just smarter than most of the country.

[Honest_Abe]

74. Ah, but if it gets dark earlier, it gets light earlier...

CST in winter time means it will be lighter longer in the morning when school children get on the bus. It will be safer for the kids going to school, and there will be fewer one-hour and two-hour delays. At four in the afternoon, when it gets dark, the kids will be back home.
This has always been my argument for CT.

[Delphinus]

34. I don't mind change.

But my BODY is reneging! I'm having a heck of a time and hope when Mitch is Ditched we can go back to "normal".

[LisaLynne]

4. People are really mad.

Wait until it's light out at 10:30 at night in the middle of summer. :)

[bfam9913]

26. It'll be weird for sure.

However, your trade off would be darkness at 4:00 p.m. in the winter on CST.

[salin]

28. we have spent years on winter central time... where has it been dark at 4

Certainly not the case in Indy or Bloomington. That doesn't mean that it isn't true in other parts of the state - where has it been dark at 4pm in the winter (before mitch pushed the time change)?

[LisaLynne]

29. Yeah, I think the earliest it gets dark is ...

around 6 or so. It's not that bad. Besides, I totally like to sleep, so that works out well for me. :)

Edited to add that I sadly just realized that I need to put that all in the past tense. x(

[izzybeans]

38. I can say growing up in E-ville it wasn't 4:00 but close enough.

[bfam9913]

41. Thanks for corraborating my assertion.

I basically said this in another post.

[IndianaGreen]

20. We are definitely on the wrong time zone if we are to do DST

and this shit of being daylight at 10 PM sucks!

My bio clock is out of whack!

[salin]

30. Next week I am back to getting up at 5:00am

I haven't yet made the shift (have slightly lighter hours this week); I am not looking forward to it.

[bfam9913]

42. Being on the edge of a time zone...

Being on the edge of a time zone is always tough wrt such a choice. If you go on Central time and observe DST, it gets dark too early in the winter. If you go on Eastern time and oserve DST, it gets dark way too late in the summer for most people's bio clocks. I personally liked it where it was for most of IN. That is, Eastern Standard Time (EST) year round with no observance of DST.

In recent years, I've become diabetic. This time change has really screwed up my bio clock. My need for regulating glucose levels doesn't recognize the one-hour shift. I have found myself, more than once in the past week, slipping dangerously closer to low glucose levels than have for a long time. Timing is everything with diabetes. Your meals and snacks are time sensiive.

[thinkingwoman]

44. Hey bfam, thanks for this post!

I'm very sensitive to the bio clock thing (my entire household is still suffering this stupid DST switch), but since none of us are diabetic I hadn't even thought of that part of it all! Thank you for adding that information to the debate. I think it's very valuable.

And, frankly, I agree that Indiana was just fine on EST. Basically, this whole playing with time thing is stupid. It should be noon when the sun is directly overhead and all time zones should be drawn accordingly. DST is a resounding failure everywhere. It saves nothing.

[salin]

45. "Ditch Mitch!"

:D

Just seemed like an appropriate place to add that new catch phrase that seems to be picking up momentum around the state.

[thinkingwoman]

46. I LIKE it!

Keep on keeping on!

Ditch Mitch!

:hi:

[bfam9913]

47. I'm starting to adjust.

I basically started shifting everything one-hour earlier as opposed to going by my traditional times for these things. It's getting better. At leas there is a quick fix for low glucose levels. EAT SOMETHING. However, if I dip low before I eat, I have to wait a bit before it gets worked into my system. I'm lucky that my employer is fairly tolerant of such things provided that I get my work done. My supervisor doesn't want me to get sick or make mistakes due to being in bounce back mode. I don't smoke either so, I jokingly refer to it as my smoke break. LOL!

[BiggJawn]

48. Only until we get rid of Our Bitch Mitch, I hope...

My bio clock is still messed up. Sucks. sucks-sucks-sucks-sucks.

Oh, and you folks who live east of US31? Where I'm at, sunset in Wwinter happens around 5:20, which if we were on CST, would be 4:20. Twighlight would end at 4:51.

[thinkingwoman]

49. So it would be dark

on the shortest days at close to 5, rather than at 4 if Indiana went with Central Time. Is that what you're saying?

[BiggJawn]

50. Nope.

Sunset would occur in my town at 4:20 under CST. It happens at 5:20 during parts of September
Now we can quibble over the meaning of "dark" like a coupla Theologians quibbling over a diddley-damn dipthong in the Greek, but AFAIC, When I need to snap on the bathroom light to see to pee, it's dark.

[thinkingwoman]

51. LOL

we don't have any windows in our bathroom so we have to snap on the bathroom light at noon...it's certainly not dark then.

I wasn't trying to quibble with you though. I was making sure I had read your post correctly--that you said twilight would end at close to 5 pm in winter. The end of twilight is what I consider dark, but you having another definition wouldn't matter for the narrow focus of my question.

I'm going to conduct an experiment for the next calendar year. On the 15th of every month, beginning in April, I'll be recording sunrise and sunset times in 3 zones (EDT, EST, and CST/CDT) here in Bloomington, IN (central southern Indiana). Yes, I can go back and do the math, but I want to conduct a real time study of how this plays out so that I can discuss it from an informed position. I encourage anyone who wants to compile these statistics from other parts of the state (especially the eastern and western borders) to PM me. I'll be happy to code and launch a website next spring with the results.

[BiggJawn]

52. Our Tax Dollars at Work...

The USN Observatory has already done it.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

BTW, it's 5:20 in DECEMBER, not September...
Long day, told ya DST was me all messed up! :D

[thinkingwoman]

53. Well NOW what am I going to do with myself??

Arrrgggg, ye have taken away my raison d'etre! :evilgrin:


P.S. Thanks for the link.

[BiggJawn]

54. Collect 400-day clocks?

I FINALLY got around to lifting the glass domes and resetting mine...
Glad the barometers "reset" themselves....

[salin]

55. I look forward to reading the results

much better than anacdotal data ..... and might prove some of our own preconceptions (mine included) as valid or faulty. :D

Oops - just read BigJawn's post - so it has already been done...

[thinkingwoman]

56. yes, my brilliant idea

is behind the times. Daylight late(r) and a dollar short, so to speak. :evilgrin:

[salin]

57. *chuckle*

consider it a 'savings of your time' ;-)

Perhaps it is due to my schedule - but I am still not digging this new time/schedule.

Funny I spent more than a decade in various locales with Day Light Savings time - and it never bugged me as much as it does right now. Perhaps I am just being Hoosier stubborn.

[thinkingwoman]

58. I have lived in other states in the past

and felt only a slight lag and adjustment period to DST. I think the problem with implementing DST in Indiana is that we're at the edge of a time zone and, frankly, the switch makes the official time too far out of sync with the sun for our bodies to ignore.

[salin]

59. I thought that, too... but really will have to look closely at a map.

In the early nineties I lived in Ann Arbor - north and just an hour or so east. Also on the edge of the eastern time zone - albiet not quite as far east... but not that far. What I hated about DLS there (having lived without it in Indiana I did know enough not to just accept it "as fact") was that I commuted against the sun (against the sunrise on the am commute, against the sunset on the evening commute) - and that instead of only twice a year being stuck with the sun in the eyes during the commute - it was four times a year. Left me irritable for the week or so that this was the case... but it didn't agitate me in the way that... RIGHT NOW IT IS STILL LIGHT OUTSIDE IN EARLY APRIL bugs me... only because of that comparison do I have to wonder if my bigger aggravation now is stubborness, or real. :shrug:

[thinkingwoman]

61. I work at home now, but my hubby has been complaining

about the same thing. We live on the west side of town and he works on the east side and he'd already worked through the driving into the sun phase and now it's happening again! He is livid.

Here's another thing...in Indiana, in April, it's too cool in the evening to do anything outside anyway. The extra hour of sunlight at night only serves to put a glare on my television and keep my dogs active longer. :eyes:

[salin]

62. LOL...

I work very long days and now am back to going to work in the dark. I only have a couple of hours (time to eat and wind down) before I crash... so now I come home with it still being light, log on the computer - turn on the tv (background) and the glare from the sun is ANNOYING. Glad to hear that is bugging someone else as well. Just hoping it is bugging the Mitch backers as much as it is bugging us!

[thinkingwoman]

60. P.S. Proof of how screwed up our time is

Sunset tonight in Bloomington, Indiana occurs at 8:20 pm Eastern Daylight Saving Time.

Sunset tonight in Stamford, Connecticut (where I lived for awhile) occurs at 7:30 pm Eastern Daylight Saving Time.

That is seriously fucked up. Seriously. It's just wrong. And our bodies know it.

[salin]

63. It will only get worse.

When I lived in DC it was just getting getting dark at 9 pm in the summer... We will be getting that around 10pm. Per my post about eastern Michigan, I do not remember it getting dark quite so late in the summer. Maybe I just didn't notice (didn't work the hours that I do now and was quite a bit younger and more flexible.) To get up as early as I need to, I will be going to bed quite a bit before it gets dark ... I hope that I can fall asleep. Maybe we will all have to buy very dark drapery to try to mask it? Too bad that the business (for all the new drapery) won't go to US textile mills... given that we have wall-marted/shipped so many of the manufacturing operations overseas.

[thinkingwoman]

64. Black out shades

I'm a serious night owl anyway, so I'm used to sleeping after the sun comes up. I recommend pull down shades with drapes over them...blackout shades if you can find them. But, as you say, that money will most likely go overseas. Just another reason to go AAAaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggg!!

[salin]

65. Indeed!

Again I say... "Ditch Mitch!"

[DemonGoddess]

67. I work third shift...

so I keep my room very dark during the day...heavy drapes with backing, plus black cloth pinned over 'em.

[salin]

68. Thanks for the advice

when we hit summer - the only way I will get through it for work will be to rig my drapes the same way.

[republicanmom]

69. Check out this website to see how bad it will be....

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

This will tell you when the sun rises and sets any day of the year.

And remember next year we spring forward on March 11th because of the enegy act passed last yr by the feds. The sun will rise next March as late as it does the darkest day in december.

I have sent my no-vote-for-you email to Jerry Torr....sent it to him last fall. But he doesn't care.

1st time in my life voting against republicans...I bet Im not alone.

[salin]

70. Not dark until 8:53 - next April. Ugh!

Thanks for that link.

Welcome to DU. We are a fairly diverse group - generally pretty liberal - but also generally welcoming to folks who join us, newly (as in generally having supported republicans in the past) - questioning (of the current republoicans). Welcome aboard!

Would be interested in learning what the last straw (per voting republican) has been.

Have one branch of my hoosier family that has been moderate republicans - generally for "moderation" - and have grown increasingly uncomfortable with the current GOP that, esp in many parts of Indiana, no longer welcomes moderate positions on policy. Don't know that they are yet ready to vote against republicans -but they are certainly beginning to question.

All that aside ... :hi: !

[republicanmom]

71. why I'm here

I fall into the category of questioning current republicans.

I feel Mitch Daniels has no clue on how to talk to and work with common hoosiers.

He IS the epitome of sold out to big business.

He LIED to voters, saying he felt Indiana should be in Central time zone.
(Some could argue that is not what he meant, but that was how it was interprted, and he went with it.)

IMO, if Hillary gets the nomination in 08, and she selects Evan Bayh, this state will vote for her, Evan, and whomever runs on democratic side for Governor.

Does NOT take a rocket scientist to figure that out!

[salin]

72. you may be more of a rocket scientist than I...

I wouldn't have thought of that combination/scenario... nor, until very very recently would have agreed with your conclusion. Have always thought folks are fine with Bayh, here (moderates from both parties, until more recently, have done well) - but that the loyalty to Bush and national GOP would trump any pro bayh vote for pres. Also, until very recently, have met so many hoosiers with a reflexive dislike of Hillary (and Bill) - probably due in part to the preponderance of rw talk radio - that I would have predicted that Hillary on the top of the ticket would turn out the hard right republicans in droves.

But very recently a long-time Hoosier dem (who used to physically recoil at the mention of either Clinton), pulled me aside to tell me of a significant turn around - and pointed out that for her years of dislike of the Clinton's she felt it was huge as she had to get over her internalized "ick" factor. She said that over time she had become less comfortable with the current folks (bush to mitch), and started (after Katrina) listening whenever she saw Bill on the tv. She found herself agreeing with his views, and that they more accurately reflected hers. She now believes he is the greatest modern era president. I almost fainted when she said this. I think that she is not alone.

I grew up in 'liberal' b-ton, and have lived in and out of the state since I graduated from college (Dc, Michigan, California) before returning to the state. Since I returned it has felt, at times, like I walked into some kind of skewed reality. Gone was the old Hoosier Common Sense (in big elections) replaced by rw talking points (both probiz, and leaning towards theocratic hard right religious rhetoric). When I grew up, Indiana seemed business friendly moderate, but solid, repubilican. This new rhetoric seemed alien to me (since I hadn't been here in years that probably saw incremental shifts rightward). I think the combo of Bush's arrogant blunders, and Mitch's 'bull in a china shop' approach to being government may have brought the old Hoosier Common Sense back to the front.

That said you seem to be more of a rocket scientist than I :D , but starting to realize that perhaps I can read some of the textbook ... which reads a lot like what you have written.

Welcome aboard, again!

[bfam9913]

73. Great Link!

End civil twilight 9:48 p.m.

This is how late it will be in Central IN before it gets dark around the longest day of the year. This means that it won't be truly dark until after 10:00 p.m. It's hard enough to get my son to go to bed at a decent time already.

[dapper]

79. It's still light at 9pm!!

The first day I had to end up working until 9pm, I thought for sure I would be leaving in darkness and as I left the office...I thought maybe the clocks were wrong! It was bright and sunny.

I spent most of my life living on the East Coast and I can remember it started to get dark after 8pm on summer nights...

I actually looked forward to not having DST in Indiana and low and behold, I move out here and you guys switch things up on me!

Personally, I don't care what time zone we are in but don't make me switch the clocks... :-)

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