Reality check for Democrats

[Jack Sprat]

With Clinton, we likely win.
With Obama, we likely lose.

It is up to the remaining primary states and their voters.

Let's be clear about this. Your vote very well may decide whether Democrats win Election 2008 or not. Check the latest polling data. Clinton vs McCain and Obama vs McCain

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

1. I don,t think it;s about latest polls

that count as much as poll counts that have not as of yet been conducted and of course that is because circumstances and events to happen have not yet happened.What this means is that what it looks like now is not what counts .That is because what it really is ,is not available for your viewing ,because it has not yet happened or been exposed. Where it comes down to Obama ,it is not what it looks like that counts. It,s all about what it really is.What it really is ,is far to far away from Obama, he is indeed out of touch.


Obama doesn't get it
Hillary does
Get it right
Hillary for president

It's not what you want to believe.
And it is always better to know than it is to think that you know.
There is still no substitute for experience.
Why is it that some people just don't get it?
The last thing this country needs is a very few fat and happy aristocratic fellows setting back in the senate very fat and happy in power.
America needs a five star president with plenty of experience to share. The world has all the five star hotels it can use. What is so hard about understanding the fact? And why is it so easy for so many people to become suckered into a fairy tale? Hello suckers,Shriver here!
The democratic party was in a shambels in 1981,is that so far back there it is all forgotten?

If we don't stop the bull shit in it's tracks,they will screw it up more.
And that's why the myth of the republican reform party is still soaring,it.s almost too unbelievable.

The only real way to stop the lies is to stop believing the bull shit.

[Jokerman]

2. I don't vote based on polls.

Never have, never will.

The people of this state recognize that this government has failed them on nearly every level. We need someone who will fight to reverse the economic and foreign policies of the last twenty years, not someone who supports these policies while in office, then claims to want to change them while on the campaign trail.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

3. At the same time you are saying

you choose to believe Obama's bull shit on the campaign trail. You think ,wtf ,is it's about a flag pin? You think it's more about the issues Obama thinks he can ram rod his way into . You think it;s unfair because the way it is ,is not subject to change by force.

Change simply is ,that,s the key! Change simply happens and Obama is not leading change, and furthermore he is not ahead of it .And that is because change is both befor and long after him. Change has history ,change has the present and the future at it,s command. Obama is no commandor and chief of change.He is just another politican in attempt to cash in on the surrounding circumstances which evolve around change.Get it,politican!

Here is the truth ,It is all about the audacity of change and the audacity of those who embrace change. Obama didn;t think that thought ,I did!
I support Hillary ,does that mean in Obama supporters views I am a closet racist or something?
Forever in change,where does the nonsense begin and where will it end (?)

Obama doesn,t get it
Hillary does
Get it right
Hillary for president

[Jokerman]

4. Okey Dokey.

I'm not really sure what to make of your post. Maybe I'm just hung up on small things like punctuation and grammar but it appears you are trying to tell me what I believe and what I think. Bad move.

Supporting Clinton doesn't automatically make you racist any more than supporting Obama automatically makes me sexist. Race, gender and flag pins are just distractions from the real issues.

After re-reading your post I'm struck with the feeling that maybe english isn't your strongest language but take it from me, "Obama doesn't get it, Hillary does", isn't much of an argument.

Cheers.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

8. Is it any less of a argument

Look at this one. if you want change,vote for me-Obama.

[hoosier_lefty]

5. double reality check.

I have worked in a factory in North Central Indiana for
about 15 years. During that time I have gotten to know
the people that I work with fairly well. Of all of the
people that I work with I would say there are maybe, maybe 10 Democrats,
out of a couple hundred.

As the primary has drawn closer people have began talking
about voting. My perception is that most are voting in the Democratic primary with the goal of de-feating Hillary. The few Democrats that I know of are supporting Hillary.

I wish we had to vote our registration, I feel sick that
these right wing asshats will have anything to do with the
Democratic nominee.

Am I crazy in thinking this? Is this an isolated case?

[MJJP21]

7. Your state

If your state allows crossover voting I suspect the same result that occurred in Texas and Ohio and that is a weak or losing result for Obama. The whole process of how we pick the democratic nominee appears to be seriously flawed. What is sad is the the incidents are in large part orchestrated by the right and Hillary is compliant in what occurred . Surly the SD's can see what has happened and need to come forward to end this nonsense and appoint the rightful candidate to lead this country.

[IndianaGreen]

6. Hillary is the godmother of NAFTA

and NAFTA has done nothing for the Hoosier working class.

Thank you for your concern, though.

[Jack Sprat]

11. I cannot disagree with your text.

Definitely, NAFTA has been a pox on the working class. The thing is that neither of them, neither, has offered to abolish it. Only to make amends to it. Only after too many Americans have been hurt by it. I respect your argument.

[dapper]

9. Let me be clear too

I will be voting for Obama.

I respect him more than Hilary. Hilary is running a dirty campaign and I refused to vote for anyone can't run on merit. Hilary was my Senator before I moved out here and she was nothing special. I know other people who have said it but I want to put an end to Bush, Clinton, Bush... Cl... In that respect, it's definately time for a change from the Bush/Clinton Whitehouse.

I think it's amazing that people in Indiana are voting for Hilary because someone whispered to them that Evan Bayh would be her running mate. That's pretty lame. To be honest with you, Hilary is doing more damage than good with her dirty politics because she is polarizing both her and her opponent. People will be tired of both of them and vote Republican. However, the only way either will get voted into the Whitehouse would be to have the other run as their VP.

Let me be clear that in the past 6 months or so, I have defended Hilary from many of the Naysayers and Rethuglicants. I probably still will but my choice has become perfectly clear to me in recent times, Obama!

Dap

[caraher]

10. Sorry, but with either candidate we win a fair election

And past assessments of "electability" are hardly reliable.

"With Clinton, we likely win.
With Obama, we likely lose."

That sounds to my ears a lot like...

With Kerry, we likely win.
With Dean, we likely lose.

What a national poll says in May doesn't mean squat in November. If it did we'd be asking who could beat... Giuliani? Romney? Certainly not McCain...

I'll vote for Clinton if I think she'd make a better president. Same goes for Obama. It's just that simple.

Whatever happened to standing for something? Cynicism and realism are not identical.

Just tell me why your candidate will be the best president, and spare me the lectures on strategy. They're insulting.

[and-justice-for-all]

12. Polls are biased...

and can be made to say what ever the Poller wants.

With Obama, WE ALL WIN. Obama 08.

[Voltaire]

13. BULLSHIT

You don't have the numbers now. You won't have the numbers later. Anything else, is BULLSHIT.