Hillary getting pushed out of Iowa?

[pstans]

I saw this from Political Insider about Hillary Clinton's so-called money advantage and her chances in Iowa...

There's a lot of buzz in political circles about the NY Times story from earlier this week about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's money advantage disappearing. The most immediate fallout may come in Iowa where Democratic organizers told me in September that Clinton's only hope of creating a strong campaign apparatus -- absolutely essential in a caucus system -- would be if she were to buy an organization.

John Edwards and Evan Bayh have been working the state aggressively to tie up top talent. The likely addition of Gov. Tom Vilsack and possible entry of Illinois neighbor Sen. Barack Obama could basically shut the door to Clinton for the remaining Iowa operatives. It's looking increasingly likely that Clinton may skip Iowa altogether, turning New Hampshire into a do-or-die state.

This is intersting after you look at the Rolling Stone article from a couple weeks ago about Vilsack running in Iowa in hopes to become Hillary's VP candidate and the story about Obama making moves in Iowa.

I wouldn't be disapointed if Clinton skipped Iowa. She has not been to the state at all like other candidates have.

[tom2]

1. Skip Iowa or the whole thing?

I would not be at all surprised if she skipped Iowa. She has not been here at all this time around, and I do not think she financially helped any of our candidates.

TV advertising is not everything in the caucuses, and her money would not do her much good here unless she could buy a good organization. With Vilsack and Obama making moves, and others soon to follow, there may not be much in the way of Iowa insiders to put together the organization that Clinton would need.

Then again, she has not made much of a move for '08 at all. I think she is still sizing up the field. With her money and name recognition, she could wait until after the Iowa caucuses to make a move.

[Counciltucky]

2. It might be too little too late for Hillary here ALREADY.

Seriously, I've heard almost nobody talk about Hillary here. Sure, people wore Hillary stickers at the J-J dinner, but that doesn't mean anything -- people handed out stickers all over the place and it was rude not to put on the stickers offered to you.

If Obama enters the race, Hillary's toast.

[CornField]

3. I didn't wear any stickers at JJ

Shoot, when I spend good money on a nice dress I'll be damned if I'm gonna gum it up. Guess that makes me rude, huh:D

[Counciltucky]

4. Very true. I was wearing a suit, though.

I wore plenty of stickers. That said, I never put on a Hillary one because the people handing out those were at the front door, and I was staying at the Hotel Savery and got to the place via walkway.

[Rambis]

5. Why is she even considering it?

I don't know why people don't like her (right wing smear?) and I don't care why. People don't like her and she can't win, period end of her presidential story.

[Counciltucky]

6. That's exactly why people don't like her: right-wing smear.

We saw the abhorrent way the GOP treated John Kerry. That'd be the tip of the iceberg compared to Hillary. She just doesn't have the ability to overcome that.

[Rambis]

7. I ask people why

they don't like her and they can't really tell me why? I tell them it is a the right wing hate mongers that have shaped their opinion of her but they say they don't listen to it. While canvassing in 2004 I had older folks say... "that bitch needs to keep her mouth shut" They also didn't like that French woman John Edwards was married to. These were dems I was talking to also so the smear works. I was amazed how much hate there was for women involved in political campaigns no matter what the role. I hope it is a generational thing and it leaves the political sphere as soon as possible.

[Debi]

8. Kerry is married to 'that french woman' Teresa Hinze Kerry

Edwards is married to Elizabeth Edwards and I think she had as much to do with how well he did in the caucuses as he did.

It's funny because I can't completely articulate why I don't like HRC either - but there is a 'gut' feeling I have about her that isn't good.

I'll tell you what, though, if she skips Iowa I'll have a clear reason to not like her. Don't ask for my support? Don't get it! :grr:

[Counciltucky]

9. The attitude toward Hillary is proof positive...

...that the news media has an overwhelmingly conservative agenda. While Hillary doesn't portray the warmest of personalities, the right-wing corporate media obviously has something to lose by Hillary's progress.

[Rambis]

11. That is the deal

my neighbor dispises her because "she is a criminal" incert right wing crapola here. I would love to see her run on some level because she scares the hell out of them.

[Debi]

12. I hope that I'm not THAT susceptible to RW propaganda

I think my issues with her are more of a 'that's not how I would have handled THAT' which I know should not influence my political opinion of a person. :shrug:

[Rambis]

14. You are an informed voter

this is the kind of crap I am getting from people who pay attention once every 4 years (a lot of Dems). I have major issues with her policies regarding Palestine, the war, flag burning etc etc. I forgot about the cross she is wearing now Jesus Hell!

[Counciltucky]

19. Well that's the thing about right-wing propaganda.

It's not displayed as such -- it's displayed as "real news".

We lefties, at least we attribute ourselves.

[Rambis]

10. mixed up my aspersions

but you get the drift-

[Debi]

13. I do

:hi:

[9119495]

16. Is it that on some level we are pissed at her for not leaving

her cheating husband? Seriously, while I don't think Clinton should have been impeached, I think I know what I would have done if I was his wife...and not even to be mean spirited; there are just some things you can't do in a marriage.

Does she seem too calculating for our own good? I don't care for the monotone voice and thus find her uninspiring (though I love that she was a great first lady and I'm glad she is in the senate). It is quite a conflict of feelings.

[Joshua Brown]

20. You might be right

There is some truth to this from people I have talked to. Others don't like her position on Iraq, others don't like that she has been too calculating in the Senate for the past 6 years. Others thought her time was 2004 once Gore decided not to run.

[Counciltucky]

22. She seems too moderate for me.

And I don't know how she'll be able to get mainstream America to like her. Especially with the right-wing media and the GOP (however separate those two entities may or may not be) constantly throwing crap her way.

[Debi]

24. Welcome to DU JB!

:hi:

You may be right about 2004, but I wonder if she would have set foot in Iowa since so many were already here at that point.

:shrug:

Glad to have you on board! :bounce:

[9119495]

15. The Bush women sicken me. They do so little outside the

traditional role of women's work or women's issues, that they set the cause of women in politics back with each of their actions. However, great first ladies like E. Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton get demonized for not knowing their place. It is sad how quickly these prejudices come up in an era where women are viewed as more equal than ever before.

I swear, my image of Barbara Bush was always her in a pink dress, with a blue and white apron on with a cookie sheet in front her full of her latest creation. Fair? Maybe not, but she's not the kind of first lady I want (her daughter in law either).

[Counciltucky]

18. My picture of Barbara Bush...

...is of her in a blue dress with white pearls, ready to bitch someone out hardcore.

Laura Bush reminds me too much of my 8th-grade English teacher.

I can't stand either Barbara or Laura.

The ideal First Lady is Elizabeth Edwards -- not only a sweetheart but also intelligent and strong-willed.

[walk softly]

21. I saw President Bush Senior break down on TV today

and my heart went out to him. I believe he was addressing an assembly of Fla State Government Workers, and while on the podium expressing his pride in son Jeb, started to cry uncontrollably. Son Jeb came to him and put arms around him and 41 said "I'm ok, I'm ok". In that minute I saw the former President of the United States as a vulnerable old man. While the TV cameras recorded this breakdown, I saw a father shunned by the son he helped elect to the presidency of this country, shamed by that same son and the people and tactics used to bring this nation almost to its knees and now humbled in front of the people he once governed.

Perhaps this once proud man can now better understand some of the sorrow and despair of the people of this country; the moms and dads, wives and children of the dead and wounded vets of his sons' war; the families living in abject poverty who struggle everyday for basic needs; the working poor who work two to three jobs and have given up hope of ever achieving the American dream; the elderly living on social security; the millions of children without health care...

There was no joy in watching his pain; today he was just one of thousands of thousands of those asking the question "how can this happen in American"?

I'm sorry - rambled too long again,I know.

[Counciltucky]

23. I feel no sympathy for him.

He helped create that monster. I don't think of him as a feeble old man at all. He may feel great pride for Jeb -- and that's all fine and well -- but I can't feel sympathy for someone just because they're crying.

It's like a murderer or rapist or burglar crying when he's receiving his jail sentence. Big deal. Look at all the people who were hurt due to his actions.

I know I sound cold. And usually I'm not. But I have no warm feelings whatsoever toward the Bush family.

[tom2]

17. Interesting Chuck Todd article

If you are interested (either way) in Hillary, then you might want to give this National Journal article (Hillary's Primary Problem") a read:

http://nationaljournal.com/todd.htm

It has a different take on her candidcay. There are some references to Iowa:

"# Iowa: I've said it before -- there's no tougher state for Clinton to start this quest than Iowa. This purple state (which just showed major signs of getting bluer) has never elected a woman as governor or senator, nor has it even elected a woman to Congress. The Hawkeye State is full of older voters and blue-collar labor union members who have appeared hesitant to elect women to executive positions all throughout the Midwest. Toss in the very liberal nature of a Democratic caucus-goer there and the fact that the Clintons didn't need to campaign in the state during either of the former president's campaigns, and you have a hurdle in Iowa that is much harder to clear than folks in D.C. might believe.

# Iraq: She's been far more critical of the war recently, but fundamentally she's still a hawk, and the Democratic primary electorate (especially in Iowa) is full of doves. Can her semi-pro-intervention argument on Iraq withstand an onslaught of criticism from each one of her opponents? She's no Sen. Joe Lieberman, I/D-Conn., but could she end up accumulating Lieberman-like hatred in the blogosphere because of Iraq? It's possible."

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. Chuck Todd is a RW Propagandist...he has been part of the RW Machine for over 16 years

[IA_Seth]

26. Don't be surprised...

When you don't get an answer to a reply on a 4-5 month old thread.

Welcome to the Iowa Forum. Dare I ask how you decided to resurrect this old of a thread?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. oops I meant to make a point in GD-P forum...they are loving on Chuck Todd today ....sorry

[Debi]

29. You mean 16 month old thread - this was started in November 2006!

Kinda weird that we're being looked at THAT closely by folks outside our Forum :crazy:

[rurallib]

27. Wasn't it about a year ago that Chuck Todd predicted

that the surge would be a major success and by summer of 2007 W's approval rating would jump well over 50%? How did that work out, Chuck?