Republican love

[asteroid2003QQ47]

William Dana Reed, charged with attempted gross sexual assault. (Photo courtesy of Penobscot County Jail)

Ex-House candidate arrested in sting
By Aimee Dolloff
Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - Bangor Daily News


ORONO, Maine - In a sting similar to those seen on TV’s "To Catch a Predator" series on "Dateline," Orono police have charged a 44-year-old man with attempted gross sexual assault for soliciting what he believed was a 13-year-old boy.
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http://bangornews.com/news/t/city.aspx?articleid=163671&zoneid=176

[asteroid2003QQ47]

1. Republican love II

Death of 'D.C. Madam' Becomes Rich Ground for Conspiracy Theory

Thursday, May 01, 2008

WASHINGTON — Police in Tarpon Springs, Fla., said there was "no question" that Deborah Jeane Palfrey committed suicide by hanging Thursday, . . .
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"She had a lot of names, and I know she was holding on to them for a reason," Flynt said. He said he knew some of the clients' names, and they include big-hitters in the political and media worlds.
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"Let me put it this way, there were more Democrats on it than Republicans," he said, . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353876,00.html

Deborah Palfrey didn't staff her business with under age boys, OF COURSE there was a dearth of Republicans on her list of clients, DUH!

[hatredisnotavalue]

2. I believe there was no mention in the article that he was a Republican

as there was no mention of his party affiliation on the Channel 6 http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=85959 or Channel 2 web site. Or Fox or Channel 7 http://www.wvii.com/stories.html?sku=20080502103941
I had to look it up on the State of Maine General Election site.


House District 19

http://maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/2004n/sr.htm

such sloppy journalism

[asteroid2003QQ47]

3. Am I to assume you are a functionally illiterate Republican...

greedily seeking compensation for the time it took you to look it up?

Ex-House candidate arrested in sting

By Aimee Dolloff

Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - Bangor Daily News

'Reed ran for a seat in the Maine House of Representatives in 2004 to represent District 19, but lost to Rep. Emily Cain, D-Orono." (That's D as in DEMOCRAT!)

He lost to a Democrat, you thought perhaps he was representing the
Communist Party?

Republican announces candidacy for District 19

Diana McElwain

Issue date: 9/27/04 Section: News

http://media.www.mainecampus.com/media/storage/paper322/news/2004/09/27/News/Republican.Announces.Candidacy.For.District.19-732805.shtml

What's with that "such sloppy journalism" crack, I expected better from you?

[ticapnews]

4. There are quite a few Unenrolled candidates

Saying he lost to a Democrat doesn't automatically mean he's a Republican.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

5. "There are quite a few Unenrolled candidates."

WERE there quite a few Unenrolled candidates vying for the seat in 2004?
I honestly don't know, perhaps you do?
As I see it, the larger question here is that you would have me believe your first thought when you read Reed lost to a Democrat was not that he lost to a Republican but that he lost to some nebulous unenrolled candidate?

Since you seem to be speaking for hatredisnotavalue, who has gone missing, I'll assume your answer applies to them also.

[ticapnews]

7. You know what happens when you assume?

You make an ass of yourself.

I don't frequent this forum much anymore and after reading your replies I remember why.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

8. One or both of us may or may not be an ass but...

determination surely cannot hinge on my asking hatredisnotavalue the question, "Am I to assume...?

You, rather than answer the 4 simple questions I asked of you, obfuscate and imply that it is I who is the ass?
I find it unfortunate that you do not "frequent this forum much anymore" (a Wes Clark supporter can't be ALL bad) but if it's my replies that drive you away your time might be better spent at this forums evil twin over in Dixmont.

[ticapnews]

11. 6 Independent candidates in 2004. One of them even won

Dick Woodbury of Yarmouth defeated Republican Brian Bicknell. There was no Democrat in the race.

There were also 18 "Green Independent" candidates in 2004.

You say you asked me 4 questions in your post, but I don't see them.

First question: WERE there quite a few Unenrolled candidates vying for the seat in 2004?
Answer: Yes

Second question: I honestly don't know, perhaps you do? (not technically a question, but rather a statement with a question mark)
Answer: Yes, as I have pointed out above.

Third question: As I see it, the larger question here is that you would have me believe your first thought when you read Reed lost to a Democrat was not that he lost to a Republican but that he lost to some nebulous unenrolled candidate?

Answer: I don't even know what you're saying here. You've got a few too many "nots" in your sentence. When I read the statement in the original story...

'Reed ran for a seat in the Maine House of Representatives in 2004 to represent District 19, but lost to Rep. Emily Cain, D-Orono.'

...I think a few things. One, I think this is Maine and there are a lot of non-GOP and non-Democratic candidates. Next, I think Orono - that means college kids; that means a stronger possibility of an Independent challenger. In fact, a Green Independent did run in that election. He finished third behind both Cain and Reed. Now, if I was a reporter writing a story about Mike Horton (the Green) would I say he lost to both Cain and Reed, or would I just write that he lost to Cain? Would I be required or expected to even mention Reed? Some reporters might mention that.

I also consider the possibility that, although not explicitly mentioned, he could have lost in the primary to the eventual winner, Emily Cain.

These are all possibilities. These scenarios do not require a mighty suspension of disbelief.

Don't flatter yourself to think you personally have "driven" me away from this site. I am very busy and do not have the time I used to have to post as frequently as I used to. I choose to make better use of my limited time and this forum rarely deserves my attention. The only reason I returned and read what you wrote is because someone sent me an email asking me what the phuck was up with you.

As for your dig at the end of your post, I will stack up my Democratic bona fides up against anyone in this forum. I am not a keyboard warrior. I have traveled this country and worked on the ground and in the pits on campaigns and issues from Maine to South Dakota. Get back to me when you've gone door to door in rural, Red State America and tried to convince the local religious zealots that a law banning abortion is a bad thing.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

12. Welcome back.

Thank you for what answers you have provided, I value your input on this forum
and do not seek or have need for an adversarial relationship with you. That said,
though our styles may be very different, it's likely our goals are not.

Peace, Brother.

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The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate
-Noam Chomsky

[Old and In the Way]

9. Whoa there.

She's making a point that the media was not broadcasting his Party affiliation, not slamming you. I assure you she's neither illiterate or a Republican.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

10. A sincere thank you.

I'm still working on a response/apology to her.

[umainer]

13. Identifies as Independent

I happen to know Will Reed from when I was at UMaine. He identifies as Independent (as far as he told me) but perhaps he needed to run as either Dem or Rep in order to run? Also there is some sketchy aspects of his case such as the officer contacted him first not the other way around and that the MySpace Profile said the person was 22 then suddenly was switch to an age under 18. I'm not claiming to know 100% if Bill is registered still as a republican, only that I heard from him that he is Independent. Also as far as the circumstances surrounding his arrest the news and what the police report seems to be colorizing William Reeds arrest as portraying no deception by the police when currently a lawyer is looking into the phony MySpace profile and to ascertain if the student portrayed himself as 22 then suddenly 13. Anyway, again, I am not saying that I know 100% either way what the circumstances are in both his arrest or his party affiliation. One thing for sure is that we should not judge either party in such a light because both sides are notorious for criminal activity and if anything history has indicated that the Democrats seem to be in the lead when it comes to sexual deviance - however I am someone that voted for Bill Clinton and will most likely vote for Obama. I'm neither Republican or Democrat even though I used to be a registered Democrat I am now Independent (it seems to be a growing trend these days to become independent).

[asteroid2003QQ47]

14. Please post stats. to back up your belief that...

"Democrats seem to be in the lead when it comes to sexual deviance."

[Maine-ah]

16. I'll second that, asteroid

[hatredisnotavalue]

6. A misunderstanding?

I apologize for not making my post to your Republican Love thread clearer. Having worked in the newspaper industry for many years, when a reporter points out in an article that someone has run for office, it was mandatory to clearly identify what party that person was affiliated with, which was not done in the article or the rip and read stories run by the TV stations. That was point in my reply to your post.

Was omitting that this person was a Republican intentional by the writer or editor? I don't know. We all assumed that the person was a Republican. But why not just say in the story that he was a Republican, not someone who lost to a Democrat? BTW in that race, there was a third candidate, a person from the Green Party, as I discovered in googling the 2004 election results.


Why did I post what I did? I can see after reading my post at least 50 times that you found my reply somewhat accusatory, which is so totally far from what I intended it to be. On the few times I read Fox news, I have found it to be customary for them to run a sex scandal/political story and not identify what party that person is from. Of the times I have had to do further research, the accused is always a Republican. Is it now common practice when the accused is a Republican to not relay his party, especially at Republican owned media outlets? I don't know.

Maybe it's just me being paranoid, but I just didn't like how this story was being treated without clearly identifying the accused as a Republican. That was why I posted the "sloppy journalist" comment.

I truly did not mean to be accusatory or disrespectful in my reply to your thread. If this doesn't clear up the intent of my post, please let me know how I can explain it further.

[luckyleftyme2]

15. once again

It seems some people will do or say anything to be in control. my theory is they are educated just enough to be dangerous and completely unable to finish what they start.
good to see you back tippicat even if we achieve our goals in different ways.

[hatredisnotavalue]

17. Is that comment directed to me? n/t

[luckyleftyme2]

18. if your referring to my comment

Definitely not; seems your either very defensive or slightly paranoid.
In fighting certainly will not help our candidates. it's definitely killed this forum. look at how few threads of any substance are posted.
we should be talking energy, heating oil, weaning off fossil fuels,candidates or
what will move good paying jobs into Maine.
How about the hot house tomatoes in Maine can we expand this into other products?

[umainer]

19. William Dana Reed UPDATE!

William Reed former Republican and now Independent had his final court date. He was NOT charged with gross sexual assault. He was found to be acting under sexual misconduct after new evidence arose that the teen still had a profile stating his age was 22. Also the police involved asked him to meet with the cop (acting as the teen). William Reed will not be listed on any sex registries and was not charged as a Sex Offender. In some opinions there was reasonable doubt were in which he could have easily be found innocent of acquitted. Bottom line is that William Reed never touched any teen therefor it can not be assault, in fact he never saw this person face to face except for speaking with this teen who kept giving false ages on his profile. Reeds lawyer himself almost 1 year later has seen the false profile the teen still has up with the fake age. As someone who knows Mr. Reed I can safely say that his is a wonderful human being with a long standing record as a Red Cross volunteer (in which he won awards), excellent service record, and was a successful student joining a service fraternity. I and others feel that without careful consideration William Reed was "lead down the garden path" into a situation that he was totally innocent of being involved with. He did not believe this person was really after the persons age kept rotating on his profile. We also suspect that the officer involved believing he was doing the right thing lead William Reed on. William Reed admits that it was stupid of him to expect to meet with this person (who at the time was actually the cop and not the teen) but thought at the time it was perfectly innocent and had no intention of having sex with someone who was under age. The teen obviously scared when caught by his parents had lied about William harassing him and not leaving him alone.... and yet almost 1 year later this same teen has still got profiles up with a fake age. When the cops got involved it was under "just" cause however how it was handled was not very objective, scientific, or logical and was totally colorized by the notion of a cop trying to be a hero. It was a very messy situation. I and others don't blame anyone really, you've got a scared oversexed teen playing sexual games with adults and obviously his parents nor any counselors are addressing his problem, you've got a cop on the other hand who wants to protect children so much and yet I think was so desperate to capture the bad guy and be a super hero that he was willing to lead William on even more. Then you have William Reed who in my opinion while being a very smart intelligent person is often lacking "wisdom" and his only crime being a little too innocent minded.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

20. Wow!

I'm convinced!
:sarcasm:

[luckyleftyme2]

21. I KNOW I'M CONVINCED

YOUR DEFINITLEY ONE SARCASTIC KNOW IT ALL

[asteroid2003QQ47]

22. While "YOUR [by your own admission] DEFINITLEY" in love with Olympia!

luckyleftyme2 (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-18-06 01:09 PM
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TOP TEN SENATORS(TIMES MAGAZINE)

it was a pleasure to see sen. snow getting recognition for her out standing work.although she is a republican,she represents" maine" well.
i was appalled to see a mean spirited post in another forum; thank god the author and the forum represent only a minor portion of the populace of maine(less than 5%).
Sen.Snow has always defended the views of our state regardess of who was in the "whitehouse". which upsets a few in her own party(less than 5%) who follow blindly right or wrong.
Kudos to the lady sen from "MAINE" we love you!
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To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.
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