Sherrod Brown:Mike Dewine | 52:42 | 49:40 with rural voters--yee haw!

[Kolesar]

Sherrod Brown's parents were farmers (they had a dairy farm IIRC). I have been told that Sherrod connects well with rural voters; that helped him win his Ohio legislature seat early in his career. There's the proof.

I am of the Appalachian extraction on my mother's side so I can say it: YEEE HAW! If DeWine tanks with rural voters, he is done in the Senate and on his way to a career as a beltway lobbyist.

SurveyUSA poll commissioned for Channel 3 NBC in Cle. The data is in this video: http://sherrodbrown.com/road/stories/630/

Extra SurveyUSA points: Strickland:Blackwell | 56:35. There is no voter group that Blackwell is leading with. Thank the Ohio GOP for putting that goon up on the ticket. They pushed Blackwell away for the Gov race eight years ago, but he came back. BTW, I did not hear Blackwell's much vaunted "oratorial style" in the debate on education this week. He sounded like just another whiney liberal hater.

[liberal N proud]

1. YooHoo!

Thanks for the good news!

[geiger]

2. Rural factor is critical, esp 4 Sherrod, i hope he visits rural Ohio enuf

i saw a little tiny bit of the Strickland debate, and Blackwell's eyes are what bothered me. He creeped me out. He looked and acted shifty. My husband said he played the race card twice. He kept accusing Strickland of not having a plan for education, but he didn't present one.

[Deep13]

3. Brown is fighting in 88 counties.

He is spending dollar for dollar on par with DeWine on TV ads. I frankly don't know how he is doing it, but he hardly ever sleeps. Brown is leading and there are hardly any undecideds left.

[west5548]

4. Makes me happy

It doesn't surprise me that rural voters are leaning to the democratic ticket, the GOP has screwed them over. It's funny that Blackwell can't get a majority in any party because I heard Evangelicals are supporting Ted too. I hope this is a really good sign that Ohio will finally turn blue after being red in both ink, jobs, and in the face from embarrasment. Blackwell is way to extreme and there is no way he can change that, like analysts said he should have went to the center long ago. I read the latest Dispatch poll and the Blackwell camp discounted it because they called Tom Raga, Blackwell's running mate Charles which screwed up people when they took the poll. God they'll make up an excuse for anything.

[femrap]

5. Makes me happy, too! Welcome to DU!

That's big....RURAL VOTERS!

But I'm not going to sit back...tomorrow evening is another parade and I'm heading out to carry the Sherrod Brown Banner and hand out lit.

[rrasile]

6. Interesting story

in the Canton Repository this morning http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=310164&r=0&Category=9
Seems that Rove practiced in Canton last election.
When it comes time to dole out aid programs to Stark County we need to remember Diebold, Timken and the city of Canton.
Alliance and Massillion went Demo and always will, God knows we need help.
Screw those Canton assholes big time.

[violetandblue]

7. I'm undecided...

about Sherrod Brown. I don't know enough about either candidate at this point to make a decision, and only planned on going to vote for Strickland. There is so much negative publicity about both Brown and Dewine that it has me down on both. Is there an unbiased place I can go to read about Brown and his views?

Rural voters, at least around here, do vote Democratic in local elections. We've had a Democratic mayor for as long as I can remember. I guess it is the conservatism that has them voting for Reps in the bigger elections (and Diebold) - you know if it's close, Dewine will take it.

It's unions, NAFTA/jobs, taxes, and gay marriage that seem to be the top issues in this area - I'd like to know where Brown stands on those.

[EMAN51]

8. Pick up a copy of this weeks Nation

Good discussion on Brown and he is on the cover.

[cmd]

9. About Sherrod

I cannot think of another Ohioan, including my friend Zack Space, who embodies Democratic values more than Sherrod Brown. He has spent his entire career working for the common man. He is a strong supporter of unions and fair trade. He opposed the NAFTA/CAFTA agreements. Sherrod has consistantly advocated tax cuts for the middle class and has opposed tax cuts targeted for the wealthy. I wear Sherrod's canary in a cage pin. It represents what Sherrod and I both believe. http://www.sherrodbrown.com/pages/issues


I admit that I did not know Sherrod's stand of gay marriage, goggling took me to this information:

Opposed Issue 1, the state gay marriage ban
Q: On some social issues, particularly gay marriage, you appear to disagree with a majority of Ohioans.
A: Mike DeWine and I both opposed Issue 1 last year (the state gay marriage ban); so I think that's kind of a wash. The issues in this campaign are about family security. And family security means better wages, better health care, more opportunity to send your kids to college. http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Sherrod_Brown_Civil_Rights.htm

Get to know Sherrod. People who truly believe in Democratic values cannot go wrong voting and working for him.

[violetandblue]

20. Hell with it...

I think I'll just vote a straight Dem ticket. I recently found out that my rep is Bob Ney - I had no idea because I'd been living in Franklin county and moved back to southern Ohio, which has gone through re-districting. I thought Debbie Pryce was bad... I feel like I have to vote for Space at this point (even though I have no clue about him!), so I might as well support Brown as well. I do NOT like his torture vote since I'm against the war to begin with, but what do you do?

Thanks for the info on Brown - sounds like he and I are pretty much aligned on the issues I find to be most important. I admit I'm pretty new to politics, at least local and state politics, and haven't kept up with Dewine and what he's doing, but I know some of the other Repubs are bad news. If the race is close at all, I figure the machines will get Dewine in, but we can try.

[cmd]

21. Good choices, all around

And welcome to DU. I'm also in the 18th. Want to help out on the Space campaign? We need people in the southern part of the district. You can volunteer at http://www.zackspace.org/

[violetandblue]

33. I may volunteer....

I have to see how my schedule for next month will shape up. I'm definitely considering it - I can at least pass out leaflets or something.

[geiger]

34. be careful...it's addictive!

[Kolesar]

10. Find a chance to hear Sherrod speak

Most of his events in the near term are the debates; however his schedule has included a good number of local appearances: http://www.sherrodbrown.com/calendar

You also might listen to some of Sherrod's recorded material on the website. His weekly address is on the home page, www.sherrodbrown.com and there are TV ads and TV news reports about the race at: http://www.sherrodbrown.com/tag/content/C68/

Welcome to the Democratic Underground message board! :hi:

[ckimmy57]

72. To Undecided

It's too bad that Mike DeWine does not go on TV and tell the voters what he has done since he's the incumbent.....oh wait, he can't because he hasn't done ANYTHING.... so of course he has to run negative ads against Sherrod Brown because that's all he's got. Unfortunately this makes Sherrod Brown have to run negative ads to counter those of DeWine's. The republicans are the kings of negative ads. Mike DeWine says Sherrod Brown voted against money for our troops to have better body armour but he in fact voted against HALIBURTIN getting the contract because their body armors were flawed. Brown in fact was fighting FOR our troops to have the protective gear they so deserved. But DeWine took that vote and twisted it to make him look good (although that's not possible). Please, don't waste your vote on DeWine.

[VolcanoJen]

11. Hey guys, I don't want to start a new thread, but help me out here

Sherrod Brown voted FOR the Interrogation and Detention Bill?

What the hell...?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll491.xml

I know he's in a tight race and that the Republicans blackmailed the Democrats into voting for it out of fear of negative campaign ads, but I cannot tell you how disappointed I am in Rep. Brown on this issue.

I'm even a little devastated.

Anyone want to tell me how he justifies it?

[geiger]

12. Press release on his campaign website

http://sherrodbrown.com/road/stories/667/

[VolcanoJen]

13. Thank you...

... but I'm a little hurt by this. Look, I'm voting for Sherrod, but I can't be the only one who feels pretty awful about his vote, no matter how he defends it.

And I understand, I really do... the stakes are high and Dewine would have used it against him... but, still. It just kind of hurts.

[geiger]

15. If it helps at all...

I remember when SB voted for the anti-flag burning ordinance a long time ago, and I was SO mad, on a freedom of speech level. Personally, I don't understand why people want to go around burning flags, but it seems like there's a basic assumption of expressing one's views freely.

The next time I saw him and asked him about it, he was unapologetic and said simply, "I'm standing by the veterans on this one." I stayed mad because my thought was freedom of speech is one of the things veterans have fought for. I came to terms about the whole issue much later when it occurred to me that the flag burning issue was a perennial phony debate that right-wingers used to suck up energy of liberals that should be better applied elsewhere.

What bothers me most about the torture bill is that R's still have given the President an out, in that he can issue a Presidential order to override Congressional wishes to abide by the Geneva Convention. I dont think R's are particularly happy about the outcome either except they have cut their losses and can save at least some face temporarily, before the elections. D's need to concentrate on winning elections now so that we can impeach the fraud that we have for a President. I'm not happy about this either, but I think it's a political compromise that we'll have to keep in (political) perspective, at least temporarily.

[rexcat]

22. Seems to me his position of standing behind the Vets...

is pure bullshit when it comes to "protecting" the flag. When I went into the service the oath I took did not say anything about defending a flag, it was more like defending the Constitution of the United States which would appear to me to be a more important concept. Brown should know that not all vets support "protecting" the flag. It is my belief that political descent is a hell of lot more important than some fucking flag. I really don't like it when someone who never served in the military thinks he can speak for me. Of course he did "serve" in the boy scouts which IMO is a paramilitary religious organization that supports intolerance and bigotry toward gays and atheists.

That said he is better than DeWine and Brown will get my vote.

[geiger]

23. yep

[PassingFair]

25. It's pure bullshit, of course.

Even if we win, we lose with this crap.

We have no choice but to vote for the dem.

[geiger]

27. At least Dems are not greedy.

When Clinton was in office we had a diversified economic market in terms of everyone getting a chance to make money on the stock market in a variety of industries. Now you have Cheney making sure all of his Halliburton buddies get the no-bid contracts and the Bushes buddies make money on oil, and the rest of us are just getting a big fat bill for a bogus war, and lied to every day about it.


Remember all the fanfair about the so called determination for immigration reform? I have a brother-in-law who is an agriculture lobbyist for the State of Arizona. What no Washington politician will talk about is that zillions of social security taxes that are collected from phony-documented workers are a revenue source for the government.

Plus, noone wants to pay $4.00 for a head of lettuce. Nothing's going to change there either.

[Kolesar]

32. I have often wondered about the "major stockholders"

and the way that tax cuts are steered strategically to help one industry, or even one particular company.

[rexcat]

45. Please...

I don't care for Brown but when talking with repukes or "independents" in Ohio (where I live and vote) I don't discuss what I post on DU concerning Brown. I talk up his good points and go after DeWine without mercy. Brown is not perfect by any stretch but the alternative is far worse! I don't appreciate someone telling me how to think or speak or what I represent because I am a veteran and I don't want some asshole speaking for me, especially with the flag issue!

My I say respectfully, take your crap and keep in Michigan!

[mtnester]

17. You are not in the "feeling awful" club alone

BUT, the only way to fix this is to take one of the houses in November, and the entire COUNTRY needs us to get Sherrod in there...no matter what.

That said, I still maintain the right to be pissed about his vote....it is not as much a reflection of HIM, as it is a reflection of what he had to do to help cleanse the vermin that are FAR worse.

Sometimes, Democracy is messy, bloody and unpleasant.

[Kukesa]

18. I'm a member, too. nt

[VolcanoJen]

35. I just don't know. A day later, and I'm still feeling conflicted.

How do I vote for a Democrat who voted for torture? How do I make that kind of deal with myself? Of course he's better than Dewine... but.

The whole thing just feels so dirty to me now. I'm really pissed.

[femrap]

36. It's dirty politics.

If Sherrod had voted against the bill, DeWine's TV ads would have brutalized him...Brown would have been linked with aiding and abetting terrorists. I don't think anyone here could have stood seeing that played a million times over and over...could you?

And as many of you have said...Ohio has a conservative bend. He did what he had to do to win this election...pure and simple.

His vote in the House really didn't swing the bill at all. I am more pissed with the 12 Dem Senators. I hope these Senators all face someone in their primaries. And that damn Salazar who was just elected...he's not a Democrat. I do wish Harry Reid could muscle the Dems as well as frist muscles his. Cheney and * came to the Hill for this vote. Twisted lots of arms....and I bet many of those arms were Democratic. Bribed? Threatened? Blackmailed?

I heard Leahy on Democracy Now! this morning saying what a sight it was to have the vp and prez motorcade arrive at the Hill. Police, limos, motorcycles....I can imagine. And the smell of sulfur in the Congressional halls....lol.

[geiger]

39. *,

[shirlden]

26. Torture Bill

I just called Brown headquarters and told them I will not be voting for Brown. I will not vote for anyone for Senate. They say they are getting a lot of calls this morning against this vote. I would have forgiven him for a lot of votes, but not this one. Gawd, I am so disappointed in him.
This is what we get when we let our misguided party pick our candidates. Paul would never have voted for this bill.
Please call headquarters and let them know, that we are watching and this is not acceptable.

:mad:

[geiger]

28. It's all a sham, BUT, consider, if you can, my analysis, and believe me I

was red-faced angry and disappointed, too. I'm not tryint to be a Brown apologist, and it's probably been the worst do-nothing Congress in the history of our country. Now everyone's racing to cover their butts in time for mid-term elections.

This is sort of convoluted, but here goes: I dont want to vote for Hillary Clinton for President, even though I probably will, because she has supported the war in Iraq from the beginning. I'll never forget witnessing her and Joe Biden tricking time off of Senator Byrd of West Virginia, who was vociferously against giving the President authorization to declare war whenever he wanted, to use a huge portion of Senator Byrd's reserved time, in fact, to get up and talk to the opposite point IN FAVOR of going to war.

I think the talk behind Clinton not running now is exactly because she has supported the war. Whatever campaign war chest and team and platform she puts together, it's her support of the war (which I'm sure she thought she was being smarty-pants about) that will keep her from being elected. As much as I would like to see a woman in the White House, she has definitely blown it.

Sherrod Brown is more complicated. In my opinion, we have to trust him on this one, get a majority of Democrats elected, and get the criminals impeached and sent to jail. We cant change any of this until that happens.

[geiger]

31. [Washington] Democrats See Strength in Bucking Bush

See today's NYT's article

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/us/politics/29assess.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26thQ26emcQ3Dth&OP=fd89a0dQ2FRQ60YQ24Ru0Q5CQ5DQ7C00,CRCkkeRkfRCfRQ7DQ5DRn06y,yQ5CQ5DRCfiQ5DQ5DYQ5DQ5DIx,Q226

[femrap]

37. I wondered how far down this thread I would

get before someone said that.

OK, don't vote. Just know that by doing so, you're not canceling a vote for DeWhine. At least watch the debates..esp. this Sunday on Meet the Press.

I don't think you realize how set up this vote was! The repugs wanted this vote to force the Dems into a corner....go with the Base or face TV commercials that show Brown standing with his arm around OBL. This is dirty politics. Didn't you think this race was going to get dirty? This is the mid-term elections! And we're fighting for Subpoena Power....you want to hold * accountable? You want to tie his hands for the next two years? If you care one iota about the Constitution or this Democracy, you will vote for Brown...and if you don't, you were just 'roved.'

BTW, Paul would have done the same thing. He isn't stupid. He knows how dirty these repugs play. Plus he's the 'macho' type....had to vote for the bill or he'd be call a 'sissy.' The TV commercials write themselves practically.

Brown's vote really pissed off DeWhine and Rove.

[geiger]

38. I think the person who is really "mad" is George Bush

I agree with you, plus some.

I think Bush was counting on calling us all terrorist-lovers till election Day, and now he's got to see that others understand nuances, even if he cant.

Problem is, whatever Dems do, the Republican power apparatus just delves into the next layer of evil. I am afraid for Sherrod Brown (he's been to Russia for Christ's sake, and goes to visit poor workers all over the world). The more I listen, the more I am afraid for all of us. It didn't take 24 hours for the US Attorney General to warn judges to stay out of terror cases (the threats have already begun, to hell with 3 independent branches of govt, too).

I am afraid, and I feel anguish for this country, but we've got to look at the elections themselves as a means to getting rid of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and clan. The House and Senate Republican leadership has already imploded on itself. They have all finally totally over-played their cards. It wont take long for the top dogs to fold if Dems take control of the House and Senate, which I think they will do, in far greater numbers than anyone is predicting.

[femrap]

43. I hope you're right, poli speak.

What a gift from God, Goddess, the Universe, Karma, etc. to have Foley's criminal behavior outed! And now I hear 5 more Pages have come forward.

And this is right in the lap of the Repugnant leadership....Hastert, Boehner, and DeLay all had to have known.

I hope one of those Pages is from Ohio....that would keep this story alive on a local level. And if Foley had the arrrogance to go after Pages...how many others could there be who are just ordinary kids?

This is the Dirt that should be slung at them from now until Nov. 7. HYPOCRITS! Remember all of that 'Party of Family Values' crap?

I still worry about the 'October Surprise' that supposedly rove has ready...I hope it's not a false flag attack on one of our cities...remember the Madrid bombing that occurred before an election?

[geiger]

44. oh, yeah.

i just dont like the common characterization "october surprise." their diabolic planning involves a progression of steps. I think they have plans all diagrammed in advance, like a flow chart, if this happens, we move to the next step, if not, follow plan b, etc. they may get a few surprises of their own this time around, though.

[femrap]

46. October certainly has started off well....nt

[Kolesar]

40. It was a Rove setup all the way

They put Sherrod Brown and Harold Ford into a bad place. Unfortunately, the media would not have reported this fairly, either. That is, despite the fact that the Plain Dealer actually editorialized against the "torture" bill.

[Deep13]

14. Actually, his explanation seems reasonable to me.

Military commissions per se are not unconstitutional. They just cannot occur where civil courts exist. We used them in all our wars. Like most of the people on this website, I prefer full civil habeus corpus. Still, this will allow most of the Gitmo prisoners to be sent home. I think the WH has been looking for an excuse to do so while still holding onto the pathological need to be right all the time.

I really would rather have Sherrod vote for this than walk into a Republican trap just before the election. We will never get a chance like this again. This bill would have passed the House without any D support, so it is not as though his vote made any difference.

[geiger]

16. ditto

[ohio2nd]

29. Perpetual War

The problem is the lie that we are at war. The term war has a very specific meaning. By creating a status of war all the time to justify the revocation of basic civil liberties means that everything that defines us as a nation is at risk.

Are you a helping the enemy by opposing our "war" efforts in Iraq. Does that make you a terrorist? Who decides the answers to these questions? What rights do you have one the charges have been made?

Our Constitution defacto died on September 12th 2001. Yesterday that murder was sanctioned by the United States Congress.

[geiger]

30. It's the very ultimate dupe-job and biggest robbery of everything that

means anything. Fighting terrorists never ends, and in the mean time, they can rob the country's coffers to make money for themselves and put social programs they hate so much out of business.

Democracy has been inconvenient to these thieves and liars that are the Republican-powers-that-be. Interesting to watch the infrastructure of their House and Senate leadership implode, though.

[BillORightsMan]

55. And the Decider decides who's The Enemy

From Dennis Kucinich's floor speech last week
www.kucinich.us

What are we doing to this institution?

Dennis Kucinich speaking from the Floor of the House


Sep 27, 2006

Speaking in opposition to H.R. 6166, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Congressman Kucinich said:

~snip~

"You know, we have heard the President make comments that people who oppose this bill are really hurting the United States. We have all heard him say this.

" 'Section 950v., paragraph 26, wrongfully aiding the enemy. Any person subject to this chapter,' -- by the way, anybody -- 'who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or any of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct.'

"I want to know, are Members of Congress who challenge this administration as to their taking us into illegal wars, is that somehow contrary to allegiance to the United States? I mean, we need to think about this. What are we doing to this institution here? Are we turning us all into mice here, running into a corner because we are afraid to challenge the President?

"I mean, my friends who are Republicans, stand up for the Republic, to the Republic for which it stands. Stand up for the Republic. Read this provision in this bill.

Yep, and with the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act, the NSA wiretapping and "It's unacceptible to THINK" decider-in-charge, I'm reminded of Fr. Niemöller's precient words:
"First they came for the Communists..."

Who, then, will be next?

:patriot:

[derby378]

41. That press release is complete and utter bullshit

He knows that torture will be allowed under this bill. Sherrod Brown has betrayed Ohio Democrats.

[Kolesar]

42. I have to note that you don't live in Ohio...eom

[geiger]

19. Here's another survey for you

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6121398


Rural voters as likely to vote Democratic as Republican now....

[Deep13]

24. Must be all dat book learnin.

:evilgrin:

[violetandblue]

47. Did anyone see the debate?

I thought he did really well - appeared intelligent and focused. I hope undecided voters were watching.

[geiger]

48. i saw parts and heard all of it

honestly, i felt sorry for both of them.

i heard some idiot Congressman or Senator on some talk show this weekend (I did NOT want to remember who it was) saying they (Congressmen,Senators) only work 2 days a week. He (this idiot) probably meant to say 3 (Tues -Thurs, when things are actually s'posed to get done in Washington), and the adreneline of the moment was probably taking hold). (BUT, how disingenuous can you get, and why would you want to try and leave that impression with ANY of your own consitituents nevertheless?) THESE GUYS (AND GALS), our Senators and Congressmen, whatever you think of them personally, WORK CONSTANTLY. When they're not working in Washington, they're at home, going to events and meetings, talking to constituents constantly(--at least, that's what SHERROD BROWN is up to normally).

Mike DeWine is, admittedly, just not the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think he is basically honest (albeit having to sell out on some things lately after he tried to stand up to even greater stupidity), and, whatever you think of him, he has opposed Bush on some things and has been severely "warned." So, you have to give him some credit.

BUT, both, dear Sherrod and his lack-luster opponent, Mike DeWine, look and talked EXHAUSTED, (if not very tired) this morning. On any given morning, if I had the schedule of either one of them, I'm not sure what would come out of my mouth, given the best of circumstances. That being said, what I think will resonate, with any (perhaps undecided? voter who was looking for honesty), I think, is that "staying the course" is NOT a good idea, and that, we simply have to do more to secure our homeland ports, and, also, make sure that the situation is Afghanistan, where the Taliban is making a come-back, does not deterioate further. Beyond that, my personal feelings aside about the candidates or their thoughts on our current dire situation, I predict Democrats will win both the House and Senate by margins totally unanticipated. And, when Sherrod Brown is elected, we will impeach our fraud of a President, and we will send Dick Cheney and Attorney General Gonzolez to jail, where they belong.

George Bush's comment about Iraq being a "comma" in the textbooks of history, did not settle well with me, nor do I think it will with family members who have lost loved ones. How can a human being be so out of touch, no matter what their past trauma and sins?

[Kolesar]

49. That was a very good synopsis of what I saw on MTP

I thought your view of them being exhausted was very good. They seemed like they were on information overload.

BTW, MTP is repeating on MSNBC right now.

[Deep13]

50. Yep. It was great.

Sherrod was confident and knowledgeable while DeWine was nervous, peevish and a bit unprepared.

[femrap]

53. DeWhine is one scrappy short sinister bush booster...

Did you see the graphic of how he had voted with the regime....over 95% until '05 where it dropped to 76%. He was getting ready for the Election.

I have to confess...I muted DeWhine. I'm sorry. I just can't listen to them. It's hard on my health.

I did like Sherrod repeating the words, 'working and middle class' over and over. I do believe the man's heart is in the right place. I truly believe he will stand up for Ohio and make us proud once again.

My fear is Blackwell COUNTING THE VOTES. I fear ANOTHER STOLEN ELECTION.

Everyone says...oh we must make it a landslide....what if we vote 70% for Dems and the 'official' outcome says it was close 52 to 48% Repugnant. Do you see folks in the street.

EARLY VOTING STARTS TOMORROW! YOU CAN REGISTER AND VOTE AT THE SAME TIME THROUGH 10/10/06.

SUBPOENA POWER....!!!! I WANT IT SO BAD I CAN TASTE IT. SO LET'S GO GET IT.

Let's send deWhine back to his porch in Cedarville. He's tired and needs a rest.

[geiger]

54. definitely tired and

needs put to rest.

[Kolesar]

51. Plain Dealer put Sherrod's talking points on the front page

This was text from the front page, below the fold. The PD reproduced it in this Stephen Kopf article. The article is both sides, but I think the Dem talking points came through succinctly:

THE WAR IN IRAQ

Mike DeWine: "We cannot leave Iraq with the job undone. And we cannot set an artificial timetable. It would bring disaster. Just to set a date that we will be out, it will embolden the insurgents."

Sherrod Brown: "Now obviously we can't bring them out right now. . . . I say we need to order the military, instruct the military over the next year-and-a-half or two years, to come up with the exit strategy to do it in the safest, most orderly way."

TRADE AND JOBS

Mike DeWine: "Sherrod thinks you can build a wall around the state of Ohio. One-fourth of our agriculture products are exports. One-fourth of our jobs from manufacturing come from exporting to other countries. Thirteen thousand Ohio businesses export every single day. That's where our jobs come from. That's where our future comes from."

Sherrod Brown: "We've lost so many small businesses in Ohio -- machine shops, tool-and-die makers in Akron, in Dayton, in Zanesville -- as these big companies outsource. And Mike DeWine has supported every time these trade agreements, these tax bills that give incentives to the big corporations rather than the small companies that stay in Lima, in Toledo, and manufacture here."

PRE 9/11 INTELLIGENCE

Mike DeWine: "Do you trust a man who during the 1990s, when we were hit in the World Trade Center, Khobar Towers, USS Cole, all during the 1990s -- it was clear what the terrorists were trying to do -- this man voted 10 separate times to cut -- to cut -- our intelligence spending."

Sherrod Brown: "Our intelligence operations were aimed towards the Cold War and not towards the war on terror. We wanted to see a shift in our intelligence focus, and Mike sat on that committee and failed to do it."

...more...

http://www.cleveland.com/open/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1159778307227330.xml&coll=2

See the front page: http://www.cleveland.com/frontpage/pdfs/monday.pdf

[geiger]

52. what I liked most about the "debate"

was that what really came through was that solutions to problems we as a country are facing are complicated, and the R's are always trying to reduce the equation to name-calling, misrepresentations, and slogans, which isn't helpful, at best, and harmful, really.

[geiger]

56. Did I hear 52:42 overall now? Which poll, does anyone know?

That's a tremendous jump from a few days ago the two being in a statistical dead heat.

Interesting.

[Kolesar]

57. 51:47 in U of Cincinnati poll, published a few days ago ... eom

[geiger]

58. I looked at Zogby this morning, but nothing there....

I'm puzzled as to the back and forth, and now it looks like Brown's lead will be insurmountable, similar to the Strickland advantage. I am going to remain paranoid, but I am feeling a lot more confident now, esp since any of these polls would have been conducted before the current (Washington) scandal exploded. Thanks.

[Deep13]

59. Isn't Zogby an "interactive" poll?

That Mason/Dixon poll from last week seems to have over-sampled Rs.

[geiger]

68. Check out this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2866853

[violetandblue]

60. That's great - I hope it's true!

Every poll I've seen shows Brown ahead. If it is close, though, I'm afraid the Reps will try to steal it. Let's hope he will pull ahead by several points (if he hasn't already) and maintain that lead.

[DemReadingDU]

61. If Blackwell wins, there will need to be a major protest

against the voting machines, and the integrity of the entire election

[Deep13]

62. Rueters Zogby 10/5 Brown 41, DeW 41; 10/4 Rassmussen Brown 49, DeW 41

It's either getting worse or staying the same depending on which poll you see.

Today, Zogby is saying that DeWine had gained ground and is polling even with Sherrod, 41-41%. Rassmussen yesterday has Brown up by 8%.

[OhioBlue]

63. either way - it is time to get active.

we can't let this race slip through our fingers. We have a chance to take back the Senate and this is an integral race.

Please volunteer with your local party or the campaign via the website. Phone bank, canvass, write letters to the editor, etc.

[Deep13]

64. You mean time to stay active.

I've been on this for almost a year now.

[geiger]

65. You mean, to hang in there.

When I saw the debate btwn Brown and DeWine this past weekend, it reminded me how tired everyone gets at this point in the campaign. It's re-focus and pure adreneline after this.


HANG IN THERE, EVERYONE!

[Deep13]

66. This feels like a campaign that started in '00 and has not stopped.

:banghead:

[geiger]

67. I totally relate

I'll never forget waking up "the morning after" the 2000 campaign, after pretty much staying up until I fell asleep from exhaustion, hearing the "news" and just not believing it. I was absolutely numb and crazy. The campaign that would never end, you are right, is still going on.

[OhioBlue]

69. oh I know most people here are active.

It was meant to be more of a cheer leading post than a criticism post -

I didn't mean it to seem like a drive by - just excited. I'm doing something every night - organizing events, phone banking, writing letters, delivering yard signs... I've just got that adrenaline thing going....

[Deep13]

70. This one is a real nail-biter.

I should pick up my lawn signs today. The convention around here is to post them 30 days before the election.

[femrap]

71. I am distributing signs today and tomorrow...nt