Students Break Teacher's Neck Over iPod

[Patiod]

Goddammit - I KNOW this guy. Watching this on the news, and realized he had directed me in a play I was in.

Damn these fucking kids to hell - interviews on the local news showed students saying he was a really well-liked teacher that had done a lot for his students. And they broke his neck. Because they wanted their fucking iPod back

And these evil kids had been suspended for the past year, and STILL let back into the school

http://www.nbc10.com/news/11094198/detail.html

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[sakabatou]

1. Holy shit!

:wow:

[kurth]

2. Freakin' evil spawn

They belong in jail.

[LostInAnomie]

3. I hope they nail those bastards.

It's fucking ridiculous what kids can get away with anymore. A couple of years ago, at a school in a neighboring county something similar happened. Some kid was listening to those in-ear head phones during class. The teacher saw him and came from behind reaching for where the head phones intersected at the neck. The kid saw him coming and when the teacher reached across the kid bit his forearm and took out a chunk of skin. The kid got expelled for the last few months of school, and was back in the fall.

It's fucking ridiculous.

[Auntie Bush]

5. Don't laugh, but I think

Rush Limpballs and all those right wing hate talk radio stations changed the whole atmosphere and attitudes in this nation. The kids use that as an example of the way to talk, think and act. Bush* et al and their divisive ways has caused such hatred in this country. Kids emulate what they see and hear! It's all the right wing's fault...even though they think every evil thing is caused by Clinton.

[Suich]

7. I'm inclined to agree with you.

Sad, isn't it?

:-(

[jhasp]

9. that's ridiculous

Please, please, please...stop trying to tie every bad thing that occurs on Bush or the right wing. Doing so drowns out legitimate criticisms. Bush is a horrible, incompetent president, but he isn't causing students to disrespect their teachers and break their teachers' necks. It especially sounds bad since violent crime has been decreasing since 1994 and was measured at its lowest level in 2005.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm

[Synnical]

11. Please, please, please, ignore the hate

That's what you're asking? Nice try. Not buying. Though I did bite. :popcorn:

On edit: And we're supposed to take as fact anything coming from the Executive Branch, which is in charge of of the DOJ?

:puke:

:rofl:

[reprobate]

12. Actually, from what I've read, while most crime is going downm, youth violence is increasing.

You are parroting a right wing talking point.

Look in any city's newspaper and you'll find this true. A big part of the problem, especially here in Florida, is the youth justice system. The law says that a juvenile can't be held for more than 21 days in detention. The system is so crowded that many offenders pass the 21 day point and are released. Then they do it again.

[tigereye]

24. actually one of the big problems is kids not being taught

any respect for others, themselves, or how to control their tempers.

[carla]

13. What is ridiculous

is that property is "sacred" in the USA. Life is secondary to things. Perhaps Bush is not the initiator of such a philosophy, but he is an enabler of this kind of action. Look at Iraq...Violent crime statistics are not worth the paper they are written on, any more than economic stats are. On the ground, the violence has increased as has poverty.

[Binka]

14. Your Concern Is So Refreshing

"Doing so drowns out legitimate criticisms." Now that is really profound and I have never encountered a concern like that on DU before.:sarcasm: Peddle it elsewhere pal.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. That is just horrific

That poor man!! I hope they throw the book at these monsters.

[CBHagman]

6. That sounds like attempted murder, not assault.

I want to be the judge who sentences those things. I also hope that every single medical detail is brought out in proceedings, so everyone knows what they tried to do to another human being.

Thank God the teacher survived, and I'm relieved to hear he has not been paralyzed.

[rebel with a cause]

15. Let's have a little perspective here,

This was not attempted murder. The attack consisted of a push and a punch, no knife or guns involved, and not even a beating. The man is sixty years old, and as someone that age I know that I can get injured now by things that a few years ago did not faze me.

The two youths were wrong and should be punished, but to say that they are monsters or should be raped in prison (other posters comments, just put in here to save time) is ridiculous. Children and teenagers do not think the same way adults do, and when these children/teenagers are not given the guidance that is needed for them to form healthy identities it often leads to distorted views of how they should behave. This is something that happens in a world where you are judged by what you have and not who you are. Where people's lives are not as important as proving that you are the "man", the decider, or the one with the power. This is the real world that exists outside the web sites and the television screens that we escape to every day.

Then you take into account that there may be other factors in play here that we know nothing about. We have only heard one side of the story, the one the media is presenting us, and we all know how unreliable that side can sometimes be. I've learned it's best to hold your comments until you know all the facts, and when I forget that I usually have to apologize for my rushing to judgment.

[1932]

16. excellent post.

[CBHagman]

17. I understand your point.

Yes, we do not know all the details, and yes, reports indicate that the suspects "only" pushed and punched a 60-year-old man.

That said, one of the suspects is not a child. He's 17 years old, and in another year he'll be able to vote or go in the military or attend university.

We don't know the backgrounds of the suspects. For all we know they may have been brought up by people with the best intentions, or they could be running wild. But it does sound as though in at least one of the cases there were hints of long-term problems.

But the fact remains that they attacked (and could have easily paralyzed or killed) a 60-year-old man over a piece of equipment, over an object.

As for this being a result of our current political environment, as some other posters suggest, attacks on and murders of teachers are not new, and neither is youth violence (Check out 19th century accounts).

[rebel with a cause]

18. 17 is not an adult and neither is 18.

That is why they are the preferred age to send to war. They have not yet lost the idea that they are unstoppable, immortal. That is why auto insurance is so high for them. The way they think is different from a person past the age of 25. I have raised children and worked in this population, there is a world of difference in how they think.

Yes, they attacked a 60 year old man for an object. Yes they should be punished for what they did. But they did not attempt to murder him. Legally there has to be intent to kill for it to be considered an attempt to murder. If it was shown that these youngsters meant to kill the man then the charge could be brought, but if it is shown that they were angry and only wanted to hurt him for taking their object, then that is assault. See the point.

[badgerpup]

8. Everytime I read something like this...

I'm sooo grateful that my kids are furry ones...

The attitudes of kids today...
now THERE'S terrorists for ya...:scared:

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[Penndems]

19. Wow - things certainly have changed since I graduated 34 years ago

Back in the early 1970s, we went to school to get a decent education and socialize with our friends. Our parents taught us to treat teachers with exactly the same respect we showed them.

Thank God I'm not in school now! :scared:

[bleedingheart]

20. back when I was in school, I did not do anything to upset the teachers

because if I was bad at school...the punishment at home would dwarf anything the school would give me.

But then ...I was an honor student.

A friend of mine just had a notice from her daughter's teacher and when she got it...she disciplined her daughter at home and told the teacher..."Let me know if there is not an immediate turn around in my kid's behavior"

So there are parents...who believe the old ways were better.

I am all for fostering an independent spirit, however disrespecting people is not included in that.

Overall most kids are good, but there are parents out there who are raising assholes and that is actually a reflection on the parents themselves...cuz there are a lot of Grade A Asshole parents.

[Penndems]

21. Very well put, bleedingheart

I don't doubt that there are caring, loving parents out there who are trying to teach their children to do the right thing. Unfortunately, there are also those who shouldn't be having children to begin with.
The entire point parenting is to raise a successful human being: A
person with strong, positive character traits who is a contributing member of society and can function independently. If an individual is dysfunctional, the aforementioned qualities aren't going to be passed on to their child.

Reading back over what you said about the lady instilling values into her daughter reminded me of something that occurred shortly after 9/11 while we were still living in PA. I drove over to our local parcel mailing store to fax some documents related to a job I was applying for. As I drove into the parking lot, I noticed a line of young people that stretched from the mall entrance all the way out to the street fronting the mall. This had to be a good mile. They were responding to an appeal the Central Pennsylvania Red Cross had put out for people to donate blood to be sent to New York City. Every single person in that line looked to be between eight and eighteen.

I mentioned to the owner behind the counter how thrilled I was to see so many young adults doing their civic duty and giving blood. His reply absolutely astonished me: "They're just punks."

"Punks"?. It looked as if their folks did a more than admirable job of bringing them up. They certainly weren't being juvenile delinquents!

[demodonkey]

22. I think the punk was the guy behind the counter...

...if adults don't set an example of respect for a good deed, how can the young be expected to do better?

[Penndems]

23. Exactly - these kids' parents certainly set a good example for them

If young peoples' dreams aren't nutured, and they don't receive the support of their parents, what is the point of them staying? No wonder they leave the state!

Driving over to Harrisburg one day and listening the local classic rock station, a commercial came on for a local vo-tech school. One line in that ad stood out: "Don't let naysayers tell you not to bother!" I looked at my car radio and said, "Why in the world would anyone tell their child not to bother bettering themselves?" Unbelievable!