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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:18 PM
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Why is Tim Kaine having such a hard time in the GOV race?
I thought that Warner was very popular and this would help put Kaine into Richmond? Why would VA want Kilgore who will undo Warner's good work?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:52 PM
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1. He's not using Warner's coattails
Not enough anyway. If he doesn't, people will just vote their party--which in Virginia is Republican. Kaine is within striking distance, but he needs to play up the Warner connection more.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:08 AM
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6. he'd be hard pressed to play it up more imo
Every ad I've seen, every speech I've heard mentions Warner.

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rogue emissary Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:08 PM
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2. It's weird but Kilgore is painting himself as a successor . . .
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 10:10 PM by rogue emissary
of Warner style governance. At the same time he blames Kaine for problems like the bad traffic situations across the state. So a lot of people are under the illusion he won't be * type Republican. Kaine will need to hang * lax style.

The problem could also be Warner. He doesn't seem to care if he politically hurts VA Democrats. I'm sure he'll campaign with Kaine as Clark and Edwards are doing. Warner has his eye on the White House. If Kaine doesn't win, I feel Warner will bear a little of the blame.
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:35 AM
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3. Kilgore has some negative ads
in Southwest VA which will probably play very well to conservative christians (gun opposition, gay adoption,etc) - I think the ads are definately harming Kaine in this part of the state. I'd like to see Warner in an ad for Kaine.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:38 PM
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12. Too liberal on gas taxes. Too liberal to be governor.
the weird part of that ad is that the word "liberal" is never used before that. I know and the focus audience knows what they mean by "liberal" but it is odd that the word just takes over the ad in the last 5 seconds.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:16 AM
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4. Warner has an ad
on supporting Kaine. I saw it this morning on WSLS channel 10 out of Roanoke.
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:02 PM
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8. I haven't seen it yet
That will definately help Kaine. this is going to be a squeaker. Kilgore's attack ads certainly play to the fears of all of the rednecks (tax hikes, gay adoption, anti -guns)
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:41 AM
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5. Why Did VA vote for Bush???
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:13 AM
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7. virginia hasn't gone Democratic in a Pres election since LBJ
Even though it occasionally elects Democratic governors (such as Warner) or Democratic Senators (such as Chuck Robb).

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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:39 PM
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9. Then Perhaps the Question should be
Why isn't Kilgore doing better? I know we're a red state here. The dems who get in are the exception not the rule--we have to remember that.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:13 PM
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10. lack of interest -- which makes voter turnout crucial
Because Virginia holds its elections for governor in "off-years" there is less interest and considerably smaller turn out than in national election years.
For example:
1997: around 1.2 million votes cast in Gilmore (R) v. Beyer (D) race
2000: 2.7 million votes cast in Presidential election
2001: around 1.8 million votes cast in Warner (D) v. Early (R) race
2004: 3.2 million votes cast in Presidential election

Its all about turnout....

For example, in Arlington County,VA Beyer and Warner picked up between 30 and 35 thousand votes in 1997/2001. Gore and Kerry picked up 50 and 60 thousand in the county. In Fairfax, it was 114 thousand and 146 thousand for Beyer and Warner, but 196 thousand and 211 thousand for Gore and Kerry.

The key is to persuade Democrats who vote in Presidential elections to get out and vote in the governor's race. If we do a better job than the repubs, we win. Its that simple.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:37 PM
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11. That is the question-Kilgore is running like a W clone
see onenote's post below. It is about the turnout.
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