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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 08:53 PM
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Anyone know about this coup d'etat?
I was out all day, and on my return the first headline I saw was on National News Watch.

'RCMP warn against threat of coup d’etat'

I clicked on it but I got 'this story is not available'.

So I googled it.

About 15 newspapers had the headline....clicking on all of them got me the same result. 'This story is not available'.

Not cached anywhere either

http://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4WZPC_enCA361CA365#rlz=1T4WZPC_enCA361CA365&hl=en&source=hp&q=RCMP+warn+against+threat+of+coup+d%E2%80%99etat+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=a39292a92b80c675

What on earth did I miss??
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:11 PM
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1. Here's the cached story:
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 10:15 PM by tuvor
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:18 PM
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2. It's been pulled too.
As far as I can tell...this is the gist of it.

RCMP warn against threat of coup d’etat

By Ian MacLeod, Postmedia NewsSeptember 12, 2010

OTTAWA — RCMP officials have identified a new threat to national security: a coup d’etat.

The reference to a violent overthrow of the federal government is contained in the RCMP’s plans and priorities report to government for 2010-11. It lists national security as one of five operational priorities for the year.

The document then cites four specific security concerns:

• Espionage and sabotage.

• Foreign-influenced criminal activities detrimental to the interests of Canada.

• Terrorism.

• And . . . “activities aimed at overthrowing, by violence, the Government of Canada.”

RCMP officials were not immediately available Friday to explain the reference, but such language has not appeared in previous RCMP reports.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:26 PM
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3. Here's how I got it:
On http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/ the story appears at the top. There`s the indication that it`s been removed, but if you click on the MORE link, it`ll take you to the removed story.

In case that gets pulled, too, here`s the whole thing:

OTTAWA — RCMP officials have identified a new threat to national security: a coup d’etat.

The reference to a violent overthrow of the federal government is contained in the RCMP’s plans and priorities report to government for 2010-11. It lists national security as one of five operational priorities for the year.

The document then cites four specific security concerns:

• Espionage and sabotage.

• Foreign-influenced criminal activities detrimental to the interests of Canada.

• Terrorism.

• And . . . “activities aimed at overthrowing, by violence, the Government of Canada.”

RCMP officials were not immediately available Friday to explain the reference, but such language has not appeared in previous RCMP reports.

Over the past year, the Mounties have signalled a renewed emphasis on national security issues that have been pushed aside by law enforcement’s preoccupation with global terrorism since 9/11.

In a major speech last fall, for example, RCMP Commissioner William Elliott said while transnational terrorism and “homegrown” radicalization remain big threats, so too are economic espionage by foreign states, transnational organized crime, proliferation issues, illegal migration and other border-security issues.

While hyperbolic, the mention of a coup threat appears to reflect the force’s return to a broader operational approach to guarding national security.

It’s also not the first talk of a government overthrow. The 1999 book Agent of Influence alleged the U.S. CIA plotted a de facto coup of Lester B. Pearson’s government in the early 1960s.

Canadian author Ian Adams claimed that after the 1963 assassination of U.S. president John F. Kennedy, CIA counter-intelligence branch head James Jesus Angleton became convinced Pearson was an agent for Russian intelligence and supposedly had information from a Soviet defector backing him up.

“The CIA took great personal offence at Pearson’s independent stands in foreign policy, his grain trades with the Soviet Union, his antiwar positions on Vietnam, and especially his friendly stance on Cuba,” wrote Adams.

To get at Pearson, the CIA set its sights first on Canadian diplomat James Watkins, Canada’s ambassador to Russia in the mid-1950s and a friend of the prime minister. After 27 days of interrogation by the Mounties, the 62-year-old Watkins’ troubled heart gave out and he died, apparently without supplying the confession the spymasters hoped could bring down the government.

“I think what they wanted was to extract some kind of compromising confession from him that would somehow put Pearson in a bad light and bring down Pearson and his government,” Adams told the Ottawa Citizen in an interview in 1999.

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:37 PM
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4. Thank you!
And now, another question:

Is the RCMP using those drugs they've confiscated???
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:19 PM
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5. That is truly bizarre!
All I can think of is the RCMP has been under fire so much this is their way of trying a 'look over there, a boogieman'. Bizarre.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:04 AM
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6. Likely a bullshit leak
The only time we ever spiked stories like this was after it was revealed the source, though seemingly honest, was mistaken or full of shit.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:29 AM
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7. I did think that could be it as well but...
I would have thought on a story like this, it would have been checked up, down and backwards before it was ever published. Talking about a coup d'etat plot is pretty serious stuff and to publish it without out making damn sure it wasn't shit should have some consequences for those who did it, imo, if that is, indeed, what happened.

Having it published and yanked without explanation doesn't make it go away, it only raises more questions and suspicions.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:34 AM
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8. Yeah. Best bet is to check the globe
They are pretty up on this stuff. If the globe pulled it, it's likely due to a good reason. I remember once I had written a story about Vancouver's "civil disobedience" crimes going up 84 per cent. It was according to statistics the cops gave me. They called the next day and said they were sorry, but they fucked up and the rate was 8.4 per cent. We spiked it.

If it was a legit story and pulled there was a reason like that and I'm sure we'll hear of it. Canadian media doesn't just pull everything on a moments notice cause they were told to. I'll wager whatever the mix up was, it is being sorted and we'll hear all about it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:42 AM
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9. I hope you are right re we'll hear about it soon...
given the 'gravity' of the content that would certainly be the best way to deal with it. Get the facts on why it was pulled out there would be the smartest thing for sure. If they blew it, admit it and move on, works best, imo.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:44 AM
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10. Well, really, if you call or email and ask, You're sure to get a response
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 09:44 AM by HEyHEY
especially from the CBC, if they carried it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:05 AM
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11. I don't think it should be one on one, again, given the content of...
the pulled article, it was made public and any explanation should be public as well. It wouldn't hurt, though, to send an e-mail so they know it didn't go unseen before being pulled for sure.
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:54 AM
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12. There is silence on it everywhere today.
A curious reaction to something that serious.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 12:31 PM
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13. Yep, agree...
It certainly isn't the first time something like this has happened but it will leave me very curious as to the story behind the 'disappeared' story.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:48 PM
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14. It's in the National Post, Montreal Gazette too
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 10:53 PM by HEyHEY
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:59 PM
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15. Both by Postmedia.
Same Postmedia that ran the first story. Fox News North.

And not a peep from anyone else in the country on how unusual this is. No columns, no blogs, not even Twitter traffic.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:04 PM
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16. That makes me think it's suspect
There's no way the Star or Globe would just ignore this if it were legit.
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:07 PM
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17. That's what makes me wonder.
This is pretty much what was published the first time...and then vanished. Now it's back again, in utter silence.

Yet, as you say, if it's true it would be a very big deal.

So is Postmedia lying outright? If so, why doesn't the rest of the media just say so?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:09 PM
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18. Doubt they're lying, other papers probably just figured it's not as big a deal
Hang on, a way to find out is to go to the RCMP website. All the releases should be available there as well.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:12 PM
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19. Hmmm, no release on the site
It's very strange, because, unless it was a BS story, I can't see other papers pulling it either, come to think of it. They'd just leave it up. I'd say there is something about it. Keep watching, you know, it just could be a bungled story and the other papers are still trying to clear it up and the Post, who couldn't care less about doing a good job, have just stayed with it.
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:14 PM
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21. That's certainly possible.
But gee, you'd think there'd at least be a mention, a query, twitter traffic...something!
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:13 PM
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20. Oh c'mon. A coup d'etat in Canada??
What...Canada is so short on crime a police force is spending it's time checking out the military for any planned coups??

The military should be outraged at their loyalty being questioned!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:26 PM
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22. Well, it was probably seen as such a ridculous thing
Or worded wrong. It's possible the RCMP meant "overthrowing the government" but didn't realize that Coupe D'etat meant by the military. There's alot of dumb people out there.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:20 PM
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23. Digging
Through the internet on Monday, Sept 13, 2010, brought up the article in many places. They all had Sept13, 2010 dates.
Reading through the articles brought up one item that, calls to the RCMP on Friday had brought no response.

So it may have been a Friday drop and after feeling taken, well they went ahead and continued on Monday.

It may be a breakdown within the inner circle? Who knows. Thanks for the find.

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