Poor SAS, they didn't get the glory

[Jeneral2885]

Instead the US SEALs are basking in the limlight in killing terrorist number one.

[T_i_B]

1. If I'm honest...

...I don't think anyone begrudges the US military for a bit of success here. Won't cure everything wrong in that reigon but at least it's one less mass murderer.

http://twitpic.com/4s9s70

[fedsron2us]

2. The war on terror was lost

when western democracies abandoned the principles on
which they were built (the rule of law, due process,
the weighing of evidence, formal trial by jury)
in favour of the tactics of their opponents.

Instead of a battle of ideologies it has become a conflict
of international mobsters trying to carry out mafia style hits
on each other.

If Osama Bin Laden had been captured alive and brought
back to stand trial I would see cause for celebration. I don't see
much reason to cheer his being gunned down in his bedroom and
his body dumped in the sea.

[Jeneral2885]

3. double standards works if you have the higher ground

in which the case you can kettle student demonstrators, imprison people without trial and have FPTP with no electoral reform andyet accuse others of not supporting human rights.

[tjwmason]

4. I'm not entirely sure that one can equate

Detention without trial and keeping F.P.T.P. if approved by a referendum.

[T_i_B]

5. It's precisely that sort of hyerbole...

...that is keeping me firmly in the No2AV camp.

[LeftishBrit]

6. Agreed - and I am ardently pro-AV

FPTP is IMO a very inadequate and unrepresentative system where there are more than two parties. But it is not a *human rights* issue.

[Jeneral2885]

7. big word

is if.

[T_i_B]

8. Referendum is on Thursday

I'm still not optimistic about a "No" vote, but it's down to the British people to decide. If you really are that desperate for AV then get involved with the Yes2AV campaign along with Nick Clegg & Ed Miliband! And the fact that it's the British people deciding this is down in no small part to our human rights.

And the idea that people living under totalitarian regimes are crying out for any form of democracy as long as it's not FTPTP is utter horseshit of the highest order.

[Jeneral2885]

9. i'm saying

that what ever system, west countries too have committed abuses

[T_i_B]

10. And FPTP is meant to be an abuse of human rights?

Even if it get's a big "No" vote on Thursday?

Do you honestly expect the rest of us to fall for that kind of bullshit????