Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory"

[frontrange]

Any fans of the former Governor's TV show out there? I see the new season starts October 15 on TruTV at 10pm eastern time. Looks interesting.

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

[kickysnana]

1. We're still dying of Lyme Disease one of the topics on that show.

It is still very hard to get treatment past three weeks here in Minnesota despite years of fighting at the local and national level.
I wish Jesse would have talked to me about it back when he was governor and could have actually done something about this.

Kinneberg, Lindsay K. age 28, of St. Louis Park. Cherished daughter, compassionate friend, loyal companion to her dog Louis, passed away unexpectedly on Sept. 23, 2010, due to complications from Lyme Disease and its co-infections. Born 12/19/1981 in St. Louis Park, Lindsay attended St. Louis Park Senior High School (class of 2000), Grinnell College in Iowa (2004), and Berkeley Law School (Boalt Hall) in Berkeley, CA (2007). Although Lindsay graduated, she could not take the bar and pursue her passion in Public Interest Law, for Lyme Disease had already invaded her body. Her friends would describe Lindsay as kind, caring, compassionate, silly, unassuming and she returned those feelings in her fierce and intense love for her family and friends. She fought Lyme Disease for over 5 years with her unusual intensity. After surrendering her spirit to her Savior, Lindsay has joined her beloved sister, Jennie in the kingdom of God, where they both left behind their broken earthly bodies, and now their souls are together again in the love & joy of Heaven. Preceded in death by her cherished sister, Jennifer Jean (Feb. 2010), grandparents, and cousin, Leah Katayama. Lindsay will be immensely missed but eternally loved by her parents, Michael & Teresa Kinneberg and her dear friends. Services to be held Saturday, October 9, 2010 at 3 p.m. with visitation 1 1/2 hours prior at Wooddale Lutheran Church, 4003 Wooddale Ave., St. Louis Park, MN 55416. Phone [phone]. Private Interment. Donations preferred to turnthecorner.org. (Lyme Disease advocacy).

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/startribune/guestbook.aspx?n=lindsay-kinneberg&pid=145773823&cid=full

[KT2000]

4. what is the conspiracy theory

regarding lyme disease? I know that doctors will not treat it or if they do they stop the treatment too early.I know the medical boards go after doctors who do treat it properly. Do you know why there is such a controversy?

[kickysnana]

9. Some but not all of it:

Basically what happened is that it emerged post AIDS and there were groups that were not going to allow patients to run things. They are:

1) Health Insurance Companies. We were told by an actuary, a relative of a support group member in about 1993 that insurance companies were well aware that Lyme Disease could be debilitating in about 20% or more of the population if under-treated or missed. The cost of treating a Lyme patient with the various complications, almost any organ system, joints and neurological that from purely a cost basis they were going to attempt to block any attempt to say Lyme could not be cured with one dose of treatment. In 12-24 months a majority of those who would become ill would be forced off of private insurance onto government disability.

2) Pharmaceutical companies. Old school antibiotics and nutritional supports treat Lyme there is no money in that. There is lots of money in vaccines. However to make a vaccine you have to know who does and does not have Lyme so you need tests. The tests when vaccines were being developed for humans could only find 39% or less of seropositive Lyme Disease because they are based on a laboratory strain that is not found in the wild. So they held a meeting with the NIH/CDC/FDA and made 61% of real Lyme disease disappear. The vaccine was pulled as it caused an incurable arthritis and worse but the tests are still that poor. Glaxco pulled their world headquarters out of NY State and into Massachusetts because the state government was unsuccessful in silencing clinical researchers and treating physicians there.

3)CDC/FDA/NIH These are military organizations by charter. There is a constant pull back and forth between Public health and national security. Some of the people in charge of making decisions on Lyme disease hold interest in the vaccine or the genome.

4)Owning the Lyme genome makes research expensive and at the mercy of the genome owners who do not have altruistic motives.

5)Also in 1993 Sen Ted Kennedy brought in a veterinary student to testify to the implications of Lyme Disease in the US. At this point Lyme became political. Those for patients and real research (Dr Burascano) vs those who were for the Pharmaceutical Industry, Insurance Industry, using treatment to control populations and state Medical Departments(Osterholm) (Steere).

6) Lyme is one of only 34 researched bio weapons. Which begs the question if it is easily diagnosed and cured what the heck is it doing on that list?

7) Legislation in the 1990's put Emerging diseases more important to National Security than public Health.

8) Hundreds of doctors have been brought before medical boards for over 20 years for treating symptomatic Lyme patients. Imagine the worst flue you ever had that never went away. Imagine a migraine that does not end. Imagine your joints on fire and your brain misfiring. Imagine every gland in your body under siege. Most Lyme patients cannot advocate for themselves they are far too sick.

10)Thousands of chronic Lyme patients are one prescription denial away from complete disability.

12) Plum Island. The Department of Defense has been working on spirochetal disease for decades. The Tuskegee Syphilis experiment uncovered in the 1970's the one in Guatemala. Following WWII hundreds of Nazi scientists were repatriated to work on bio-weapons. We tried to stop them but the best we could do is get them to say they were working on cures. Plum Island housed spirchetal research. It is very close to Old Lyme CT and Long Island NY ground zero for the discovery and treatment of Lyme Disease. Scientists that left Plum Island also worked at Yale, Stony Brooke, etc.

It makes no sense that a serious disease cannot be treated with known treatments until it is gone. If any other disease comes back you retreat. You don't need a positive test to be treated for MS, Fibromyagia, Chronic Fatigue but you do for Lyme Disease.

If you belong to a patient advocacy group, any, you are considered a potential terrorist by the government. People I know have lost jobs, have had their homes and offices searched and have even been accused online of being "cultists".

It is one big FUBAR and everyone is paying for it.

[KT2000]

10. Wow - thanks for the info

especially find the bio weapons research interesting. Chronic fatigue first happenend in this country in clusters. Have always suspected that bio research was at the root of that too.

[wildbilln864]

2. thanks!

[90-percent]

3. Jesse

I am a fan of the show. There's a lot of WTF events out there that merit more scrutiny from who ever is willing. Thank goodness we have Jesse on the job.


-90% jimmy

[RKP5637]

8. I find the show interesting. As you say, there are so many WTF events, it's

interesting to hear someone point out now this is pretty weird, etc. And WTF does this mean, etc. I like his style too.

[ailsagirl]

16. Me too. He kicks ass

[RKP5637]

5. Thanks for posting this! n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

6. I watched a couple episodes and thought it was terrible.. I won't be watching again

[RKP5637]

7. He was saying they learned a lot from their mistakes last season. Maybe it

will be different this season. The thing that did annoy me last season was they must have repeated his name about 100 times during each show. That I did find annoying.

[ailsagirl]

15. Just curious-- what did you find terrible about it??

[harvey007]

11. Plum Island facility being moved to Kansas

Jesse's show is great! Good expose' on Plum Island.

http://www.dhs.gov/files/labs/editorial_0762.shtm

http://www.bioprepwatch.com/news/215730-work-set-to-begin-on-new-national-bio-and-agro-defense-facility

Don't worry, they're only experimenting on "animals."

Evil smiling bastards.

[TZ]

12. Yeah, cause politicians know so much more about science

Than scientists. I know what Plum island is--its agricultural research on viri that aren't safe to be around in general (like foot and mouth disease). Imagine scientists wanting to experiment on dangerous microbes away from the general public. Stupid competent researchers trying to cure disease! :sarcasm:. Hell I have friends at Detrick too OMG I'm the ANTHRAX KILLER!!111!!!. Jesse Ventura knows as much about what goes on there as GW Bush knows about science...Zip.
Anybody who wants to even pretend to know anything about science should not be a fan of this show. Its the most scientifically illiterate thing on TV since Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell. I have more knowledge of Plum island and places like that in my pinky than Jesse "Steroids Rot your Brains" Ventura. :puke:

[glinda]

13. The InfraGard episode was pretty interesting. Check out your local chapter

on the web and I think you might find some weird things. I know I did. Especially in lieu of the recent FBI raids on peace activists as well as targeting five black cops here in MN.

[ailsagirl]

14. After what we've been through, nothing would surprise me

NOTHING