Ndamukong Suh gets meeting with NFL

[RockaFowler]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7171482/ndamukong-suh-detroit-lions-meet-roger-goodell-own-request

Ndamukong Suh will meet with NFL officials during the Lions' bye week to get a better understanding of the rules he's been breaking.

Detroit's second-year defensive tackle asked commissioner Roger Goodell for the meeting to talk about all the flags he keeps drawing for roughing up quarterbacks.

[Goblinmonger]

1. I'm with him

The defense is at enough of a disadvantage, we don't need to make it so that you can't do anything when you are within 2 yards of the QB.

[LisaM]

2. Well, good.

By all accounts, he's actually a nice guy. I love the Lions, but I don't want them to play dirty.

[LiberalFighter]

3. Don't the refs go to each of the teams and go over the rules with them?

And don't the teams provide that same info to their players?

[trumad]

4. The guys is as dirty as they come.

If you defend this shit you're nothing more than a douchebag sycophant fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKccCpcDmc0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3qobyvv1AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw6vxVVXWUM

[Goblinmonger]

5. I'll give you the first two. Head throws are uncalled for.

The last one was a crap call. He was a runner. Runners get hit like that all the time.

[trumad]

6. No they don't...

a forearm shot to the head is not common.... and you know damn well he was trying to take his head off.

A very dirty football player and I think someone should take his fucking knees out if he keeps doing it.

[Goblinmonger]

7. I'll be on the lookout for other people you will want to take out at the knees then.

I'm not arguing that he is a completely clean player. But let's not pretend that football is a glove slap to the face and pistols at 10 paces. It's ugly. And this guy gets paid to put the hurt on QBs. That's pretty much his job description. He takes his job seriously. From all I have seen of him in interviews, he seems like a good guy off the field. Those two where he head threw the QB were over the top. I don't think those are the ones he wants to talk to the NFL about. That two-arm shot in the last one, didn't seem like the same malice as the first two. Was he trying to "take his head off"? To some extent. My son plays D-End in HS and I will guarantee you that when the QB is running, every D-Lineman is thinking about busting him on his ass. Running backs take shots like that all the time. This one just happens to be on a QB out in the open and not in the midst of 8 lineman in a pile.

[trumad]

8. "completely clean player"

Oh---so sometimes he's not a "completely clean player" and that makes it OK.

Well guess what--- that one time when he's not a "completely clean player" will be the one time he will seriously injure a quarterback.

"That two-arm shot"---you mean the forearm to Cutlers head didn't have the "same malice"? What--so it's lighter malice...meaning---what's a forearm shot to the head compared to trying to rip the guy's head off.

"Running backs take shots like that all the time"---uhhh no they don't. A forearm to the head would draw a penalty every time no matter who is running the ball.

The guy is a dirty mother fucker and if he keeps it up will most likely receive some serious retaliation from an opposing team---and rightfully fucking so.

So I ask you... Is Shu a dirty player--- yes or no?

[Goblinmonger]

9. You are asking a dichotomy when a Likert scale is the better option.

If it is a dichotomy, then a whole lot of players are going to be on the "dirty player" side because they take cheap shots.

On a scale of 1 to 10, I would put Shu at about 7 or 8. Though I mentally temper that due to him wanting to meet with the NFL to clarify things. Someone who is a "dirty mother fucker" doesn't meet with the NFL to find out what he can do differently. If he continues with the very visible head shots like your first two examples, then I keep him at about an 8. If he really seems like the NFL meeting was about adjusting behavior, then he goes down significantly.

I am constantly pissed and amazed that Chad Clifton from the Packers gets away with major holds nearly every play (he consistently grabs the jersey of the D-End on the outside of the arms). That's dirty play, too. Granted, not as visible or shocking as some of what Shu has done, but it still sucks and is dirty. I wouldn't call him a dirty player, but in a dichotomy, I would have to (I would put him at about a 2 or 3 on the scale--admittedly because he is doing what I hate other players doing against my son :P ). Shu has a LOT of plays that are just very hard playing with no intent to "take someone's head off." Hell, Woodson punched one of the Saints in the stomach 2 or 3 times during the first regular season game.

[trumad]

10. so let me get this straight.

So Suh has to meet with the NFL to be told:

A: You cannot grab a quarterback by the head with both arms--- twist said head, and then drive the QB into the ground---while twisting said head.

Two: When making an open field tackle you cannot use your forearm on the players head.

Seriously--- he's got to meet with the NFL to understand that?

Hey Suh---watch the you tubes in this thread and save yourself airfare to NFL Headquarters.

Now--- are there other dirty players---damn right!

And guess what---the NFL goes after them as well.

[Goblinmonger]

11. I really don't think that is going to be what he is asking about.

If it is, then I put him at a 9 or 10 on the scale. I think he is meeting about the more nuanced, less obvious calls. But, clearly, I'm not in Suh's head, so who knows.

[trumad]

13. Point is...

From the film I've seen of him... it is clear in my mind that he's a head hunter and needs to clean up his act.

I think anyone who goes after the head like he does is a solid 10.

Clean it up or get suspended---easy enough in MHO.

[frylock]

15. he donkey punched cutler ffs

[HuckleB]

32. Hogwash.

[frylock]

33. video doesn't lie

[HuckleB]

42. I watched that video, and I don't buy it.

Yesterday's actions were clear, however.

[joeybee12]

12. Hey, I agree with you!

I think the taunting of Ryan that week was the clincher, which he said he didn't do, then taunted with Twitter posts...he's a real piece of work.

[trotsky]

16. I'm with you on this one, tru.

Nip this in the bud - his actions in all three of those clips could have easily resulted in serious injury.

[DinahMoeHum]

14. For his consistent unsportsmanlike conduct, here's hoping. . .

some offensive lineman chop-blocks him and sidelines him for weeks.

Yeah, that would draw a 15-yarder and possibly a fine. But then again, Suh would finally get the message.

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. Here's hoping that doesn't happen. Because it's sick to hope for shit

like that. Nice to see everyone buying into the media hype on this. Just when did he "taunt" Ryan...when Ryan was surrounded by coaching staff? I call bullshit. Lots of it. And I'm a Packer fan. I hope you see the idiocy of wishing harm on someone. I really, really do. Shame on you.

[tishaLA]

19. ITA. I hate to see fans "root" for injuries

(in fact, I find myself turning my head when they replay them). I wish fuckers who injure people ill, but never injuries.

[Goblinmonger]

22. So he's a dirty player and you want

a dirty player to take him out for you? And you don't see a problem with that at all? No cognitive dissonance resonating on that one?

[trumad]

23. Hey it's football huh?

That's what the defenders of this guy seem to be saying.

On one hand they defend him for playing dirty---on the other hand they feign disgust at the thought of another player playing dirty against him.

Funny how that works.

[Goblinmonger]

24. So you're switching sides?

I'm talking about consistency in argument here. If dirty play is bad (which I'm not saying it isn't), then isn't it bad to want someone taken out by a dirty play?

And you and I only disagree on the 3rd clip you posted. And apparently only 2-3 points on a scale of 10 since I gave him a 7-8 ranking on dirty play.

[trumad]

26. Dude

a 10 on all 3 clips.

[Goblinmonger]

27. Again, we only disagree on one.

I would say 10 on the first 2. I would go about a 5 or 6 on the third one. And even Goodell says his play this year has been more in line with the rules and demonstrates an understanding of them.

[trumad]

29. Well good for him

Let's hope he stays clean...he's a heck of a talent.

[MrSlayer]

18. Suh plays the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Mean and nasty. Too bad they've wussified the sport so much. In the 70's, 80's or even 90's this guy would have been considered a god.

[trumad]

20. Horseshit Keyboard warrior.

You do not head hunt period...

What is the limit then... you OK with chop blocks? How about eye gouging like the old timers did? How about late hits? Spitting--- clotheslines?

I can go on and on--- but you're OK with a 300 pound lineman trying to rip a QB's head off.

[MrSlayer]

34. Eye gouges and chop blocks have nothing to do with what Suh does.

He just plays extremely aggressive and hits with bad intentions, the way the game is supposed to be played as I said before. I just watched a ton of his highlights and I really don't see anything but a guy I would love to have on my team. The Delhomme sack was over the top and was justifiably fined but that isn't indicative of his overall game. He's just a friggin beast out there and I'm not going to rip the guy for playing to the whistle and busting his ass to help his team win. Tell me you wouldn't take him in a second and I'll call you a liar.

[trumad]

35. Been watching the game for 45 years.

Yeah---ripping the head and forearm shots are old school for sure.

But new school---no way. These guys are twice as powerful as they were in the 60's and 70's.... hence the protection rules in today's game.

Concussions are epidemic and if they are not contained---will ruin the game---hence the no head shot rule.

In each of the clips above the guy was head hunting pure and simple.

Forearm to the head---head tacking and twisting---

I'm stunned that you can defend those clips.

[MrSlayer]

39. But he didn't forearm Cutler in the head.

He just didn't, watch the video. At 47 seconds or so even the announcers call it what it is, a two handed push from behind. And as Cutler was a runner and no longer a passer it was perfectly legal, vicious but legal. It's over-exaggerated.

[trotsky]

21. Should they go back to leather helmets? n/t

[Goblinmonger]

30. Joe Pa thinks so.

And I think Ditka(?) agreed with him. OK, not leather, but not what we have now. They think the new pads and protection make it so that the hitter doesn't feel anything so they are more likely to hit harder. The older pads would hurt if you hit as hard as they do now. That has some merit. Some.

[trotsky]

31. There is definitely some merit to that argument.

But then the "purists" who want more hitting and violence in the game would be upset with that option as well.

[Brickbat]

40. Agreed.

[Goblinmonger]

25. Update: Suh sounds like a real douchebag

:sarcasm:

Goodell said in a statement. "In the course of our dialogue today, we reviewed video showing that Ndamukong has clearly made the adjustments to play consistently within the rules so that he can continue to help the team. We commend Ndamukong's leadership in taking the initiative to schedule today's meeting."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/11/suh-says-goodell-meeting-was-a-learning-experience/1

I don't think a player who is intent on being a dirty player and is just a head hunter asks for an NFL meeting and if they do, Goodell doesn't come out of it saying this. I could still be wrong.

[trumad]

28. This was his agent simply cleaning up his image.

Again---if he had to go ask the Commissioner what he was doing wrong then he's an idiot.

Will I commend him if he goes the rest of his career without playing dirty. Absolutely.

Do I think that will happen? I wouldn't bet on it.

[caraher]

36. What evidence do you have that his agent pushed this on him?

I have no trouble believing that Suh basically wanted more clarity on exactly where the line lies between what gets him flagged for 15 yards and what doesn't. That has nothing to do with whether he's a vicious headhunter, taunting douchebag or saint in a giant's body, and everything to do with maximizing his effectiveness as a competitor.

Maybe he's an idiot, but he'd be an even bigger idiot not to ask how much he can get away with if there's any doubt in his mind.

[trumad]

37. LOL

No evidence at all---but a good public image means money and agents want their players to have a good public image.

I'm surprised he didn't carry a Bible into the meeting with Goodell.

Again--- if he really needs to be told by the commissioner how to tackle without going to the head---he's a God Damn IDIOT!

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. To be honest, his agent is a dumbass.

After Suh told Detroit fans that he would not hold out after the draft, he held out on the advice of his agent. That didn't go over well. So, I'm guessing his agent does not have very good PR skills.

Again--- if people are buying into this media driven outrage---they're the God Damned Idiots. :hi:

[trumad]

41. kick