Abortion is Genocide

[Mallifica]

This group set up a huge display on my college campus today. It was in a VERY public area with tons of pictures and people standing around handing out "literature" that was FULL of bullshit about abortion laws and history.

I am so pissed. While I defend everyone's right to free speech - I think this group is full of hate - they compare the holocaust and racial lynchings to abortion and define it as genocide . . . .

I feel like I should write a LTTE - at least for the campus paper - anyone got any talking points?

thanks.

here's their website:
http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/abortion.html

[BlueEyedSon]

1. War in Iraq is Genocide too. Funny how people pick which

"genocide" bothers them.

[Squatch]

3. The genocide in Sub-Saharan Africa is genocide, too.

"Funny how people pick which "genocide" bothers them."

Indeed.

[BlueEyedSon]

8. My tax dollars did not fund it. My elective representatives did not

enable it. A bit subtle, but different.

[Squatch]

12. Are you sure?

The civil war in Rwanda and the ethnic massacres were an integral part of US foreign policy, carefully staged in accordance with precise strategic and economic objectives.

From the outset of the Rwandan civil war in 1990, Washington's hidden agenda consisted in establishing an American sphere of influence in a region historically dominated by France and Belgium. America's design was to displace France by supporting the Rwandan Patriotic Front and by arming and equipping its military arm, the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA)

From the mid-1980s, the Kampala government under President Yoweri Musaveni had become Washington's African showpiece of "democracy". Uganda had also become a launchpad for US sponsored guerilla movements into the Sudan, Rwanda and the Congo. Major General Paul Kagame had been head of military intelligence in the Ugandan Armed Forces; he had been trained at the U.S. Army Command and Staff College (CGSC) in Leavenworth, Kansas which focuses on warfighting and military strategy. Kagame returned from Leavenworth to lead the RPA, shortly after the 1990 invasion


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO305A.html

About the Centre for Research on Globalization
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[ehrnst]

18. Opps - meant to reply to the OP

[ehrnst]

20. In Iraq, women are already oppressed, so it's not a problem.

The issue is about women having sex without the fear of pregnancy, not babies.

If they were really concerned about embryos, they'd be picketing in front of IVF facilities where embryos are destroyed daily...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. Neither abortion, nor the war in Iraq,

Could possibly be categorised as "genocide". "Mass murder", yes, arguably, but genocide specifically implies an attempt to wipe out a racial or ethnic group.

Point this out to (or just about) the protesters at your university, I'd suggest -it makes it obvious that they're concerned with shock value, not with factual accuracy. There is no possible way one can justify referring to the abortions performed in the US as genocide.

[Pallas180]

2. Bush's executions, mostly of black ppl, were genocide.

how come they want to kill full grown black people, but save the unbreathing unborn.

[Tux]

4. Well...

Genocide? How does an abortion equal the total destruction of an ethnic group?

[Mallifica]

6. great point

look at the website - it's full of all of these loosely drawn conclusions and absolutely false abortion statistics and laws, etc. As the woman on campus told me today . .

"the only voice that these babies have are these pictures. we are taking away their voice."

[DIKB]

7. One of their talking points

is that abortion is used by the black poor, by some percentage I haven't verified yet. Simple way to shut them up, do a little research make your own flyers saying that since * came into office, abortions have gone UP in number. His abstinence only education reform, leads to more teen pregnancy and more abortions.

Abortions went down as a result of comprehensive sexual education, and if they really opposed abortion, they would oppose * as well.

[Mallifica]

9. ah . . .very nice n/t

[michaelhopewell]

23. .

good point!!!!!!!

[blogbear]

5. Perhaps You Might Focus On Accurate Historical Data..

Before the fundamentally flawed between the ears get wind of it (or set about to rewrite it their way)..Ah yes, speaking of wind you will know they are coming by sight and sound..just as you might with any locust swarm..

[CottonBear]

10. Where on the campus?

I was accosted by anti-abortion nuts when I was a student there. I told them to mind their own business.

1.) Abortion is not genocide because the fetus is part of the woman until birth.

2.) Why don't they concentrate on saving women and children's lives by providing family planning services and health care to poor families in the US ans abroad. That would be the moral thing to do.

[Mallifica]

11. I agree

in front of the Tate Center.

[CottonBear]

16. Sorry you had to endure that encounter.

That was where they accosted me back in the mid 1980s.

The 27th Annual Human Rights Festival is April 23 & 24, College Square, Downtown Athens, GA.

It would be a great opportunity for an Athens/NE GA Du meetup at the Globe!
What do you think? PM me if you want to arrange something. my good friend is one of the organizers. I've been attending since 1982!

www.athenshumanrightsfest.org

[sickem]

13. Yeah........tell them

that genocide is the murder of a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians in a war to stop Iraq's weapons programs that didn't exist.

Abortion is a personal decision that only a woman can make.

[CTyankee]

14. The Alan Guttmacher Institute

has a lot of information about reproductive health, including an eye-opening chart of how women stopped dying of illegal abortions right after the Roe decision. It is absolutely mind-stopping! I think their website is www.agi.org and it is a terrific website for all things you need to know about the great need in the world for reproductive health and information.

Good luck! I wish you well and love your initiatives.

[Mallifica]

15. Thanks! n/t

[saltpoint]

17. I wish you didn't have to encounter groups like that, Mallifica.

But they're out there. You describe them very well.

I've felt for a while that the Right's insistence on an anti-choice agenda has to do with their sex-negative, moralistic obsession with abstinence and thus, the impulse to control others' genitals.

One possible talking point would be to ask them on what grounds do they seek control over the genitalia of others?

[ehrnst]

19. The NAACP is pro-choice, and Judaism supports choice

Ask these people what they know about racism that the NAACP doesn't, and why Jews themselves are offended at the comparison...

Statement of Julian Bonds on the 31 Anniversary of Roe v Wade.
http://naral.org/about/bond_remarks_roe_31.cfm

RCRC's list of members - including conservative, humanist and reform Jewish orgs:

http://www.syrf.org/resources/religiouscommunities.php

From a Rabbi on Judaism and abortion:

http://rj.org/roevwade/sermon.shtml

[Mallifica]

21. thanks for the links

tons of interesting info!

[tigereye]

22. genocide is a concerted effort by one group

to destroy another racially or culturally specific group. What you describe is another poor argument by antis. An individual decision is not genocide, and providing a legal medical service is not genocide, either.

Good luck from a veteran of choice escorting and many clinic support and choice marches.

:thumbsup:

[TheOriginalAmerican]

25. Freedom of speech and hate speech.

Look up the difference.

Look up the countries that have laws against hate speech and why. Make those your points.

Also bring up how many women have abortions, and discuss the fact that these groups are accusing all of these women of genocide.

[Codeblue]

26. Actually

We're covering genocide pretty thoroughly in my history class at the moment and genocide is legally defined as "having an intent to kill, injure or mentally harm the entire population or a substantial portion of it." Thats not exact words but close.

That is how it is defined in the Genocide Convention and in the Dictionary. Raphael Lemkin coined the term. The groups can not include political parties, only ethnic groups, religious groups and the like.

So, there is no possible way that abortion can be genocide unless we are trying to eradicate the "race" of babies. Also, the Iraq War is not genocide either under the definition. It is just mass killing, but it is not a specific race or religious group being targeted.

Although, I am unclear on the definition of ethnic cleansing and why it is different than genocide.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. Isn't "injure or mentally harm" kind of a stretch?

The suffix -cide means kill (inseticide, homicide, suicide, pesticide), not harm.

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[funflower]

28. Abortion "art"

A few years ago, I had a fetal demise (of a baby I wanted to have) followed by a D&C in the hospital. The next day when I was at home recovering from the minor surgery, a woman from a right-to-life group came to my door handing out brochures with pictures not unlike the one on these people's website. I can well imagine the pain those pictures must cause for countless women on your campus who've suffered a miscarriage or faced the tough decision whether to terminate a pregnancy.

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[Endangered Specie]

30. was it the Genocide Awarness Project?

they came by our school a little while back, they just put up billboard size signs of aborted fetuses all over campus.

[Mallifica]

31. yeah . . .

[friesianrider]

32. Ask why the conservatives don't put up banners of mangled Iraqi kids

Let me guess? THOSE kids are "worth" the sacrifice of "fighting terrorism". Interesting how some babies lives are valued over others.

[benevolent dictator]

34. I saw someone's sig line here that said

"the right wing believes that life begins at conception and ends at birth."