I am pro-abortion for anyone who wants one

[MichiganVote]

As far as I'm concerned its a medical procedure that is chosen by some in our society that is none of my business. And I'm sick of this dishwater argument that 'nobody is in favor of abortion" crap.

Who's with me?

[Kerrytravelers]

1. I AM! I AM !! I AM !!!

[sam sarrha]

2. Pull OUT Dubya, like your father should have..!!!

best anti war slogan...

[efhmc]

3. Don't want one. Don't have one.

[MichiganVote]

4. Chick Choice, that's my motto.

[Malva Zebrina]

5. as far as I am concerned it is a decision that is entirely personal

to any woman and she deserves to have that procedure in a safe and a clean environment for her own health and well being.

and I am sick of the "pro life" argument from those who claim they are "pro choice" but who choose to adopt the memes of the crazy fundamentalists, thereby using language to disguise the fact that they, in an instant, would support the disolution of abortion rights, according to their religion.

Those are intellectually dishonest, imo.

No one, no religion, no state, has the right over the right of any person to control their own body. And if these religious insist upon trying to do so, they are immoral in their religious beliefs.

[MichiganVote]

6. Amen...er...I mean, Absolutely !!

[whistle]

7. So am I, and as for minors needing parental consent I see...

...that as an issue between a medical doctor and a child psychologist and a responsible adult, given that the parents may be too irresponsible or dangerous to bring into the decision. These repukes and fundees who want to see parents involved and criminalize all others, they have no grasp of reality in the America they helped create.

[benevolent dictator]

8. Agreed, anyone who wants one should get one. Period. End of story. n/t

[PA Mamma]

9. I'm with ya there too...

And this whole "nobody is Pro-abortion" crap is really getting to me.

[noamnety]

10. I'm not with you, sorry

I'm not "Pro-appendectomies."

I'm not "Anti-appendectomies."

I don't have any thoughts one way or another on it; if a person needs one, so be it. (pro-appendectomy, by some logic)

I'm in favor of educating the public in how to avoid unwanted appendicitis. (anti-appendectomy by some logic)

overall, I'm fairly neutral on the procedure, thinking it's good to avoid any surgery if you can, because surgery is more expensive and traumatic in general than preventative care, but if you need it, you get it.

[yo-yo-ma]

11. hmmm - i'm not sure the analogy holds

abortion is "safer" than pregnancy - less maternal mortality/morbidity

as for "traumatic" - i'm not sure an undesired pregnancy carried to term is less traumatic than the medical procedure

i view abortion as part of a continuum of women's health care - a continuum that includes contraception and all aspects of family planning (including pregnancy and childbirth)

the ability of women in the latter half of the 20th century to be able - really for the first time in human history - to regulate their own fertility is huge and a fundamental reason for the advance of women in our society

access to abortion is an integral part of these human/women rights

to be neutral is (paraphrasing howard zinn) to give tacit consent to the current movement to drive women back into the 19th century

[noamnety]

12. I agree with everything except your last point.

It's safer than delivering a baby, yes. (pro-abortion?)
It's less safe than using birth control in the first place (anti-abortion).

I wish more people would use (could afford, had access to, had education about) birth control (anti-abortion).
There are situations where birth control fails, or where a woman didn't use it for whatever reason, or where circumstances change (health of the baby, health of the mother, financial concerns, whatever reason (pro-abortion).

And I certainly did not mean to imply it was more traumatic than delivering a baby you don't want. I meant more traumatic than birth control. For some women abortion might include emotional trauma, for others it might not. But it is physically (and financially) more traumatic to get an abortion than to use a condom, or get an IUD .

I'm pro-choice, but I wouldn't say I'm "pro-abortion" because I don't see needing an abortion as an ideal circumstance, any more than having an appendectomy is an ideal circumstance.

For me, it's an appropriate analogy, because I'd rather remove the causes of appendicitis if possible, and I'd rather remove the causes of unwanted pregnancies if possible.

But there is no tacit consent whatsoever with the anti-abortion movement. I am neutral on whether somebody else should have an abortion. I'm not neutral on whether or not they should have the choice - don't confuse the two positions.

Or if you prefer, since I'm a teacher, I could use expelling students as an analogy. I'm not "pro-expulsion" or "in favor of expelling kids from school." But if a student is a threat, if he's carrying a weapon, for example, in the school, then I would support the decision to expell him, and I would support it without any guilt. Pro-choice is not the same as pro-expulsion.

Does that make more sense?

[yo-yo-ma]

15. thanks

i guess i got hung up on your appendicitis analogy -- because, aside from an appendectomy, you can't really prevent appendicitis.

further the emphasis on prevention (a sound public health perspective that i supprt too) does contain the possibility of blaming the women then for "needing" abortions, like they did something wrong. the way some people treat alcoholics with liver cirhosis or smokers with lung cancer. i don't get the sense that you would ever do something like that. and i think that the emphasis on birth control is a realistic way of countering the right (who's next target is birth control), however i am a bit saddened to see what i perceive as a conditional retreat from the support of abortion.

i just want there to be as many options available to women as possible

[Solly Mack]

13. Heres where I'm at with it...

It's a medical term for a medical procedure that I do support being readily available for all women.

The word doesn't call me distress. It doesn't cause me to have moral vapors. It doesn't offend me. It doesn't bother me one damn iota.

Which in no way means I want to force people to have abortions(how stupid it would be for anyone to even suggest it does mean that)

Pro-choice means you support the choice to abort or to not abort, to carry to term or to not carry to term, to adopt out or to not adopt out, to raise your child or to not raise your child...NO forcing of any kind involved.

I don't go around demanding pregnant women have abortions and I don't go around demanding they not have abortions either...Cause I'm pro-choice. Choice is a good thing and it's a wonderful term. I'm not giving it up.

Fuck the people who want to control women. I'm not kissing their asses. I'm not going back.

I fully support sex education...but I don't care if abortion is rare or not. I want it available.Period.

I trust women and their ability to make their own decisions.

I want people to use contraceptives. I know it's better if they do. I know women do better economically when they can control their own reproductive health.

However, I'm not using contraceptives as a bargaining chip against the availability of abortion. I want them BOTH available. Period.

And you're mighty damn right I want health care on demand. (to answer the fallacious "abortion on demand" dumb asses)


I love it when silly fucks ask me "Do you believe in abortion?"

What's not to believe? Abortion exist.

What they mean is "do you support abortion?"

Yes, I do. I support a woman's right to have an abortion.

It's not an easy choice to make and I'm not about to make it harder for women either by confusing the issue with bullshit rhetoric from agenda driven asswipes.

People can call me extreme. I assure them, no skin off my nose.

[Megahurtz]

21. Right On!!!!Excellent Post!!!!

:thumbsup:

[rebel_yell]

14. i hate abortion

I'm firmly pro-choice, but i hate the procedure and I could never tell a woman to have one unless there was a 100% chance she would die if she carried to term.

[Nobody]

23. As an incredibly unlucky person

I'd prefer not to let others play the odds for me. If there is a 15% chance of death in childbirth, that's too close to a certainty for me to risk my life.

No professional would rate any chances of anything happening as being a certainty unless that very thing was happening at that very minute.

You don't even get a 100% chance of rain from the meteorologists even when the rain is coming down hard and leaking into your basement.

This is where I'm very much pro-choice. I don't hate the procedure. As a female human being who has yet to enter menopause, I have thought long and hard about what conditions under which I would get an abortion.

I would resent some joker coming into my clinic and telling me that he or she hates the procedure but it's my choice. Shades of "I'm telling you this for your own good, you'll be sorry". All this as if I had just stumbled upon abortion as a magic bullet solution.

I have always been in favor of prevention. It's easier on many levels. For one thing, you don't get the judgement from on high of strangers who don't know you. However, I don't hate the backup plan, and in an imperfect world, we need all the backup plans we can get.

[gollygee]

16. I don't like the phrase "pro-abortion"

it seems to imply that if a woman is faced with that choice, you think she should have an abortion.

I am definitely pro-choice. I believe that if a woman is faced with that choice, it is her choice to make and only hers. The choice of abortion should be available, but no one should ever be able to compel her to have an abortion any more than anyone should be able to compel her to give birth.

[MichiganVote]

17. To the religious right, pro-choice says the same thing

As I said, I'm pro-abortion for anyone who wants one.

[gollygee]

18. I don't really care what the religious right thinks

and I don't label myself based upon their (deliberate) misunderstandings.

[slackmaster]

19. I'm in favor of abortion for anyone who wants one too

I feel the same way about it as I do about teeth whitening or any other elective procedure.

[Megahurtz]

20. I'm in. n/t

[liontamer]

22. I definately am

I'd even encourage some people who aren't considering abortion but should be if there wasn't such stigma attached.