"Pro-Choice" means it's not YOUR choice, unless it is

[omega minimo]

It's very simple.

If the laws of your government allow citizens the right to reproductive health, autonomy and privacy, including a range of reproductive health options-- that's all you need to know.

Why do so many people so enjoy tormenting the issue and broadcasting the minute details of what THEY approve of and what THEY think appropriate for other people's live. IT DOESN'T FU**ING MATTER. Save the sanctimonious preaching. However well-meaning or intentionally provocative it may be, IT IS BESIDE THE POINT.

Please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE recognize the difference between discussing the abortion issue as a matter of common civil rights AND whatever behavior and attitudes you consider appropriate in YOUR life.

It is in your best interest as an American citizen to guard the civil rights of others.

Those civil rights give you no right to judge or inflict your personal opinions on others.

If you really support "Pro-Choice" you will keep it simple and discourage others from confusing personal opinion with civil rights.

[Kutjara]

1. Bravo! Succinctly and precisely put. n/t

[omega minimo]

6. Could save a lot of

bandwidth :hi:

[beam me up scottie]

2. But what about the women who have abortions 'cuz they don't want to be fat

Don't men have the right to point out the fact that those women would rather be drunken crack whores than mothers?

[omega minimo]

3. The right

but not the DUty :puke:


"Don't men have the right to point out the fact that those women would rather be drunken crack whores than mothers?"
:rofl:

[beam me up scottie]

4. Talk about a letdown...

I had POTD all ready to go but couldn't follow through.

[omega minimo]

8. Ummmmmmm

Penises Oughtabe Tied Down?

:hi:

[beam me up scottie]

9. sNort!

Keep them on a leash, boys, we don't want no trouble here.

[omega minimo]

12. Well think about it

If they were restrained, a sort of "chastity holster" they would be used much more consciously, deliberately, selectively. Fewer cases of "erections of convenience" and perhaps more empathy :wow: with the constrained conditions women live with.

[beam me up scottie]

13. "erections of convenience"

:spray:

Damn those recreational erections!

:rofl:

[omega minimo]

15. "Does this energy-efficient mini-van....."

"....make my penis look fat?"



...:wow:
:bounce: :bounce:

[beam me up scottie]

17. Nothing says vapid

like switching the players.

Good job as usual, O. :patriot:

[omega minimo]

19. That's what this country needs

more Vapid Twansit

:spray: :hug:

[Quantess]

5. The title confuses me.

And I'm not easily confused.;-)

[omega minimo]

10. Shorthand for

Please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE recognize the difference between discussing the abortion issue as a matter of common civil rights AND whatever behavior and attitudes you consider appropriate in YOUR life.

[Quantess]

11. That's cool. I get it.

At least I think so....
I'm always a well mannered beast.
B-)

Oh no! is it good mannered beast? Anyway, I'm appropriately beastly.

[beam me up scottie]

7. Translation: Don't feed the Reich Wing Pundits

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Quantess]

18. For MY cooperation?

okay, you're welcome.

[Norquist Nemesis]

14. Thank you! The whole point of "pro-choice" IMHO is non-governmental

mandate. Whether one believes it's morally wrong, murder, fine with restrictions, should be completely unrestricted, etc., etc., etc., the whole point (to me) is surrendering the "decision" to the government.

I've known people who've chosen to have an abortion, and I've know people who have chosen to give birth. Those that have given birth have both chosen to give up the child and others have chosen to keep the child.

Myself...I was raped at 19 and, particularly with the ongoing argument about abortion, I've thought many times about what I would have done if I had become pregnant. It scares the crap out of me to think that the Government would be mandating this very personal, private circumstance.

Every 'pro-life' individual should think very long and hard about putting the reproductive process into the hands of the Government. Government can change or alter it's mind.

For the 'pro-life', just imagine abortion is outlawed. It is now illegal and there is no doubt: it is in the hands of the Government. Now, imagine it's 50 or 75 years later. There has been a population explosion of unimaginable proportions or maybe AIDS is almost completely eradicated...except for a handful of carriers (some female). The Government determines that it is in the best interests of the state (and National Security) that abortions be performed on women who X,Y,Z. What then? "Society" decided long ago that this should be put in the hands of the Government.

Also, what of the incestuous pregnancies? Rape? Are you willing to pay any consequences that come with mandating those instances (more taxes, possibly mental healthcare for both the woman and the child)?

No...Keep it out of the control of the Government. I've said this again, and again, and again, and again. Just think China.

[omega minimo]

16. thank you. such good points

it also seems mad that it is this one area (women's bodies) that busybodies think they have the right to intrude.


:hug: NN

[omega minimo]

20. STOP ARGUING!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iverglas]

21. may I agree?

;)

I just want to add that it's inappropriate, also, to counter all the "I'm pro-choice but" <women need to think better, late-term abortion is murder> blah de blah by going on and on about how nobody takes having an abortion lightly, nobody hasn't already considered all her options, nobody has late-term abortions, nobody suffers psychological trauma from having an abortion, etc.

It doesn't matter. What women think about before and after having abortions, what the reasons for their choices are, what the effects of their choices are on them, etc., are their business and nobody else's. And all of those things have nothing to do with their right to make those choices. Nobody's opinion about women who have abortions is relevant to any discussion of restrictions on their right to do so.

As societies, we have the same responsibility to women with (or at risk of) unwanted pregnancies as we do to any other member of our societies in any other situation: to ensure that they have as much as we can provide in the way of resources for making and carrying out the choices they believe to be in their best interests. That includes access to contraception and sexuality education, access to abortion, access to pre-natal care, access to child-rearing supports, and access to services to assist them in making the best choices in this aspect of their lives as in many others.

All of that is completely separate from and independent of women's RIGHT to make and carry out whatever choice they want, for whatever reason, in respect of their own sexuality, their own bodies and their own lives. And we should never allow ourselves to get dragged into any discussion of any of those aspects of other women's lives.

People who express opinions about other women's choices in those regards are rude, and are doing nothing but offering aid and comfort to those who openly seek to interfere in women's decision-making. And the only wise thing to do is to tell them that.

They may also need to be informed that anyone who suggests they shut up is not seeking to interfere in their right of free speech, if they're particularly dim. People who express opinions about anything in public simply have to be prepared for other people to express their own opinions about what they say.

[Control-Z]

22. Yep - this is what I want to say

every time I run into another "well thought out" essay.

[omega minimo]

23. Yep

:grouphug:

[omega minimo]

24. Yep

:hi: