Uh, my "friend" ate a pot brownie at a party Saturday night and has a drug test tomorrow

[Hello_Kitty]

"She" had no idea that her prospective employer would send her a letter via express mail demanding a drug test within 24 hours. She is NOT a regular pot user by any stretch of the imagination but they happened to have some tasty brownies at the party she went to and she had one. Not sure how much weed was in the brownie, but it didn't seem to give "her" much of a buzz. The last time she partook of the fine bud was probably about 3 years prior.

How long does it REALLY stay in your system if you...uh...I mean "she" only had a small amount?

Is there anything that can be done to obscure its presence in the urine?

Does eating it differ from smoking it, as regards drug tests?

[pscot]

1. It persists for a long time

I've heard there are substances that mask it, but I know of no specifics. Google High Times. You might find a lead there.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

2. Oh, man..............

I have no idea but that's as sneaky a move as I've ever heard of - Express Mail, 24 hours - that's slick. Very slick.

I hope your friend does all right.

[Hello_Kitty]

15. No shit, huh?

The PR person said to expect a "package" in the mail Monday morning but not what was in it. Mind you, this is a sales position. Not only is there no public safety hazard of any kind, but salespeople are the biggest bunch of self-medicators on the planet.

[movonne]

3. From what I heard on Judge Judy ....if they take a hair follicle it is in

there for months...

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. Yup, but it won't be in her follicles so soon, so she'll be good

n/t

[orestes]

4. Could always try and get urine from someone who doesn't use

and somehow try to smuggle it in to the testing facility. Otherwise, your "friend" might be up a creek.

[nichomachus]

10. Or she could get a Whizzinator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whizzinator

[backtoblue]

36. I heard on the radio

that the makers of the whizzonator were being charged with criminal abetting or some stupid shit for making that thing.

[nichomachus]

5. It persists 30 days in the urine -- longer in a hair follicle test

This is why the gang boys always have shaved heads and bodies -- since many of them are subject to no-notice hair follicle tests.

Your "friend" could always claim that her religion forbids her to give bodily fluids to strangers. Someone has actually used that.

Otherwise -- "she's" probably screwed.

[JonLP24]

34. 30 days for prolonged use

3-5 for small useage. I can vouch for that number. I passed a piss test conducted by the Army shortly before my enlistment after 3 days of last taking a hit. Also whenever I went on two weeks leave I would only smoke during the first week and the second 7 days was enough time to pass any urine tests. They are pretty high tech going down to the actual amount of THC or whatever is in the urine.

[Mythsaje]

38. You win the prize...

Everyone else is a bit off the mark.

It depends on frequency of use. Taking a few hits once or twice a month gave me the capacity to pass a test roughly ten days after my last hit. I was a bit worried, but I was able to repeat it quite easily.

[billyoc]

6. It's not water soluble, and can stay in your system for months.

Your friend is fucked.

[LeftyMom]

7. Your "friend" should have had the good sense to abstain while job hunting.

Mandatory drug testing in jobs where there is no safety reason for it is stupid, but in this job market beggars can't be choosers.

Your "friend" is screwn.

[Hello_Kitty]

12. Thanks, Mr. Garrison.

:eyes:

[LeftyMom]

14. Stay clean while you're looking for work. Get hired, then go celebrate.

If you don't want good advice than don't post a thread, and please don't whine when you don't get the job after your hot piss test. Oops, I mean when your "friend" fails her whiz quiz.

[Hello_Kitty]

17. Yeah, having a pot brownie every few years makes a person a drug-addict who needs to get "clean"

And your advice, while perfectly good before the fact, is virtually useless now.

[LeftyMom]

19. Whose posts are you reading?

I said that you need to abstain while you're looking for a job. I didn't call you a drug addict. Way to fucking overreact.

[Ken Burch]

39. Abstain from WHAT...baked goods?

She didn't KNOW the brownie had pot in it. You did read that part, didn't you?

[ikojo]

9. Here's a link to an academic article about drug tests

http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/49/7/1037

-snip-

The second issue was passive ingestion. Unknowing ingestion of marijuana tea, brownies prepared with marijuana, or the like was the line of defense that followed passive inhalation. Although studies were carried out to investigate this issue (6)(7), there was no question that if someone orally ingested cooked marijuana, urinary excretion of {Delta}-9-THC metabolite would correlate with the amount ingested. The issue was whether the concentrations found in the urine at a specific time after ingestion could be explained in the absence of a detectable biological activity at the time of ingestion. This issue still has no definitive resolution in light of the fact that individuals have explained that there was alcohol consumed with the meals, which could mask the effects of marijuana.

[Demobrat]

11. Try this.

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/

[orestes]

13. Since that stuff has to be shipped, I don't think it'll do any good

in this situation

[ixion]

16. you can find similar solutions at the local headshop... sometimes

at the local health food store, depending on how cool they are. :smoke:

[Demobrat]

22. So drink a LOT of cranberry juice and water.

It's your, I mean her, only hope.

[FrogBlastTheVentCore]

35. Good idea

Flush it out with water and juice. It may take *gallons* but the likelihood of a positive test will be significantly reduced. Still, YMMV...

[GimmeDANEger]

18. my advice

Go to the local glass shop. Often they will sell products that claim to clean out your system. Whether they work or not is anyone's guess. But that solution is more immediate. Just don't mention any illegal substances or they will probably have to kick you out of the shop. Good luck.

[jmowreader]

32. There are problems with those products

They might be able to mask the THC, but they also show up in the urine...and many labs test for adulterants now.

[backtoblue]

37. Uh, tell "her"

to just have someone clean do it for you. If it was mailed in, then be resourceful before you mail it back.

[remedy1]

20. Masking agents are the FIRST thing they test for.

Don't try it. Testing labs are fully aware of all of the tricks and test the sample for adulterants prior to testing for banned substances. If an adulterant is found the test is reported back as positive.

Depending on the amount ingested, your "friend" may or may not test positive. I would suggest your "friend" stop by a Walgreens or other drug store and buy a home testing kit, they are reasonably accurate.

The metabolites of THC may stay in one's system for 30 days or more in the case of a chronic user. An occasional user has a much better chance of a negative test.

[liberalmuse]

21. Here's a video...

It's kind of cheesy, but might help. As recommended in the video, your friend may want to purchase an over-the-counter drug test just to get an idea what she is in for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZoD_YSR46I

[jaksavage]

23. Hydrate like crazy

before you test so you will have been peeing freely for and hour or two.
Big gulp ice teas...
if you get a positive; deny and retest.
luck

[panader0]

24. Stay home sick.

Once, on a big construction job, a mobile home style testing lab pulled up to test us bricklayers. I picked up my tools, went to my truck and drove home. I came back in two days and the testing was over. It's different in construction. On another job I was a foreman and the boss suggested drug tests. He decided not to when he learned he would lose more than half the crew of 120 men.

[Hello_Kitty]

30. Seriously, this a sales job.

This is the first time I've ever seen a sales position demand drug screening. Salespeople are literally the most self-medicating crowd I've ever seen. If they were really concerned about people being incapacitated on the job, they'd test for alcohol.

[shraby]

25. You don't say where your "friend" is from, but some

states have medical mj now. Maybe that could be a reason it shows up in the test?

[Naturyl]

26. "She" is probably going to get busted.

Sad but true. I've heard of various strategies, but I'm skeptical any of them really work.

Although I don't partake, I'm for legalization. I've even more in favor of getting employers the hell out of people's private lives. Off the clock is off the clock. Employers do not own people.

[hedgehog]

27. What are the odds if your friend calls up human relations and

tells a tale of woe about some jackass at a party who thought it'd be fun to sneak so loaded brownies into the party without telling people? Are loaded brownies funny tasting or something?

[lurky]

28. If "she" doesn't smoke often, "she" should be ok.

Especially if the brownie was weak. It's habitual smokers who build up a lot in their system. To be on the safe side, she should drink lots of fluids to flush her system, especially cranberry juice. And she should make sure not to give her first pee of the morning. She should drink a lot of water or coffee that morning so that they get the watered-down version. Maybe take a multivitamin so it doesn't look too watery.

Also, does your friend take a lot of Ibuprofen? Ibuprofen can cause false positives in drug tests. If so, when she fills out the form that asks what medications she has been taking, she should definitely mention that she has been taking lots of Advil over the last few days for a pulled muscle, back pain, or whatever. That way, if the test shows a trace amount of pot, they will know that it is really just a false positive from the Ibuprofen.

Good luck to your friend on her new job!!! :D:D:D:D

[xynthee]

29. Ask your closest clean friend for a sample

Buy some hand warmers (like they have in sporting goods stores), get one of those stick-on thermometers (I'm not sure where to get those - maybe a pet store in the aquarium section). Get a small plastic bottle (it needs to be at least 50 ml)- maybe a travel-sized shampoo bottle or something. I would get something a little larger than 50 ml because I think 50 ml is the minimum.

Stick the thermometer on the plastic bottle and use the hand warmers to maintain the temperature (I believe the acceptable range is 90-99). Wear a loose-fitting dress with pantyhose or tights and panties and stick the bottle between the pantyhose/tights and the panties. I would closely watch the temperature for as long as possible and put the bottle in your pantyhose/tights at the last second.

Then, just try to remain very calm while you're making the switch. Pretend you're handling nuclear waste; if they hear a plastic bottle fall on the bathroom floor, you're probably screwed.

http://www.testclear.com/Powdered-Urine-Kit-P13C5.aspx <= stock up on these!! I have a "friend" who has used this successfully twice.

At least read these instructions (http://www.testclear.com/instructions/powdered_urine_instructions.pdf) so you would know what to do (you'll just have to improvise on the components). I hope you have a close clean friend (if you're in Brooklyn, I can help you out)!

I would try Lurky's ideas first, though. If you could pass it without going through all the above, it would be a lot less nerve-racking. Maybe get a home testing kit and see what happens?

Best of luck to you!

[abbeyco]

31. I work for a group that does New Hire drug screens

She can drink all the stuff she wants - tea, water, golden seal - whatever. The unfortunate part is that she'll probably give a 'dilute' test, meaning that she had enough liquids to dilute the test and they'll want a re-test.

Options are:
1. Drink up a ton ahead of time and then lie and say she's diabetic and drinks an inordinate amount of fluids, enough to screw her drug screen
2. Lie that she was at a party with several smokers and she has second hand intox. Depending on the amount in the brownie, this might be viable and if she admits in advance, she might be okay
3. Lie and say she ate a brownie her 'friends' made to share in the joy of celebrating her new job; her 'friends' didn't make her aware of ingesting the pot until after she shared the 'celebration' cake/brownies. It's not a great defense, but if the company has any tolerance at all, this might be a viable explanation.

I work in recruiting and agree that a drug screen isn't the best judge of character or to determine qualifications for a job, but 9 of 10 employers are using them now and in this job market, there really isn't time to celebrate before meeting all of the qualifications for the job - sales oriented or not....it's up to the employer and usually an insurance and safety issue for doing a drug screen.

Don't want to be a downer or pass judgment - that's just the way it is and I wish your friend best of luck.

[iamthebandfanman]

33. try GNC store

since its such short notice.

ask for a product called Herbal Clense..the drink, not the pills.

could go either way, but worth a shot.

worked for me.

[Ken Burch]

40. I wonder if this could've been a set-up?

Perhaps somebody at the company just didn't want your friend to get the job and arranged for the sudden drug test(while also arranging the pot brownies).

It's just a little too weird that those events would just happen in that sequence.

[rantormusing]

41. Like an earlier poster said

GO for the dilute, it will buy you time. THey don't check it while the person is there. Google like a demon for a head shop, you can find synthetic urine there, it should work. Cranberry juice and water for the dilute. Drop a few tabs of visine to dilute more, with gods love, that should buy you another week.

When i was a bit, quite a bit, younger. I was working at a gas station that did hiring screens, but three months later they never did mine. I didn't really smoke, but was working midnights, and shared with a buddy. A week later, BAM. My boss suddenly was in trouble for forgetting to make me wee. I was freaking out for the next two weeks, but i was clean.

If it's been a couple months since partaking, stall for a week. That should do it. Maybe she got a weak brownie, that may work in her favor too.

[rantormusing]

42. How did it turn out?

Was your friend ok?

[Yurovsky]

43. The "threshold" for positives is usually high enough...

that a brownie or a few tokes isn't going to turn your test positive for THC. The folks that do these tests REALLY don't want false positives (liability issues). I'm an infrequent smoker of the demon weed, and I've never pissed hot (and my employer has tested me numerous times over 20 years).

Not that I'm saying to go all Cheech & Chong with the chronic, but chances are if you're not a regular toker, you'll be OK.

Just my $0.02...

Hope it all worked out for y0u (and yes, I think piss tests are a MAJOR violoation of our civil rights, especially if there's no probable cause/behavior to request a sample....)