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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:40 AM
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At what point do you throw in the towel in a lose lose situation?
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 10:41 AM by William769
A bill to outlaw gay marriage in Nigeria could jeopardise millions of dollars of western aid given to help stop the spread of HIV and Aids in Africa's most populous nation.
Nigeria has the continent's second highest number of people living with the disease, says the United Nations. More than three million people are infected and many do not know their status.

"There are about 400,000 people on anti-retrovirals in Nigeria at the moment and 95% of those are paid for by donor funds," said public health doctor and health blogger Chikwe Ihekweazu.

Gay sex has been banned in Nigeria since British colonial rule. Gay and lesbian people face open discrimination in a country divided by Christians and Muslims who almost uniformly oppose homosexuality. In parts of the north where sharia law has been enforced for about a decade, they can face death by stoning.

Under the proposed law passed by the Senate, same-sex couples who marry could face up to 14 years each in prison. Witnesses or anyone who helps a marriage could be sentenced to 10 years. The bill also punishes the "public show of same-sex amorous relationships directly or indirectly" with 10 years in prison.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/04/nigeria-gay-marriage-ban-aids-hiv
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:45 AM
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1. I'd just let any healthy gay couples in that country emmigrate to the US
I'd like to see us do that more often. If some close-minded government wants to shed an entire population because they're the wrong color or wrong faith or screw the wrong hole, fine, bring them here.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:48 AM
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3. And what about the people with AIDS?
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:11 AM
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4. You are assuming that gay couples have AIDS.
In Africa it is the heterosexual couples that have the most cases of AIDS.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:18 AM
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5. I am not assuming anything.
AIDS is AIDS no matter who has it and without treatment you will die a very painful death.

With that said would you allow Gay people in the U.S. that does have AIDS? Or do you think that no Gay people in Africa has AIDS?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:20 PM
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10. The restriction to "healthy gay couples" was introduced here by the first response, not William.
"healthy", by definition, excludes the ill and infirm, regardless that they may have needs for asylum which are identical to those are who not healthy.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:51 AM
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6. As long as we're talking ideal world, take them, treat them, educate them
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:04 PM
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11. Whatever current US policy is regarding infectious diseases.
I assume they would be prohibited from entering, regardless of sexual orientation, but I don't know what the current policy is.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:48 AM
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2. recommend
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:58 AM
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7. i would continue to support foreign aid in nigerian and allow gays to immigrate
here as political refugees. i would change the law to let people immigrate here based on probable prosecution not just current prosecutions.


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 12:09 PM
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8. ...
:thumbsup:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:44 PM
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9. I would allow political asylum
and I would re assess aid programs
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