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Fri Nov-19-04 08:08 PM
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Teen boys, on average, make more than teen girls |
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Wage discrimination starts early. :sigh: Teen boys, on average, make $5.75/per hour and teen girls make $5.50 per hour. (2000 year data) http://philanthropy.ml.com/ipo/resources/pdf/2000teen.pdfInfo in under the heading on How teeenagers make money.
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Fri Nov-19-04 08:14 PM
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1. That may look pretty good |
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in a few years I am afraid.
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Sat Dec-18-04 01:04 PM
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7. 4% is not a difference |
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I hope you realize that a difference of 4% is more than likely statistically meaningless.
That number says that teenagers regardless of gender earn virtually the same.
Also, if you look at the method of the study, it's a self reported phone survey which makes it even less reliable and therefore more meaningless.
Gender differences in pay scales has much more to do with individual choices as people reach the age of having their own families than it has to do with outright discrimination.
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Sat Dec-18-04 03:28 PM
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8. It is if you look at it from a different stand point |
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$5.15=minimum wage. $5.50=35 cents above minimum wage. $5.75=60 cents above minimum wage. Girls make 58% of what boys make above the minimum wage. That is a significant difference. There may be legitamate reasons for this but we should examinine why this is especially since these are entry level jobs. Pay for these jobs usually don't have anything to do with women taking time off to have a baby or being less agressive in management positions like it might for older women.
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Sun Dec-19-04 10:08 AM
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Using the minimum wage idea is an arbitrary selection. The truth lies in the difference between their wages. Look at it this way:
If two people earn $150 per day or $145 per day the percent difference between those two salaries is 3% -- not something we'd call significant probably.
Now arbitrarily choose a couple of other different reference points like say, $144. Now by that person #1 is $6 above that and person #2 is $1 above. That's a difference of 17%!
But wait there's more! Choose the arbitray point of say $50. PErson #1 is $100 above, person #2 is $95 above. Now there's a difference of 5%.
We can magically change the wage gap simply by choosing a different arbitrary vanishing point. The signficance is in how the two salaries differ from each other, not in how they differ from an arbitrarily chosen point -- chosen with results in mind especially.
You know, there's enough real discrimination in this world. Why not stick to that rather than trying hard to drum some more up?
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Sat Dec-18-04 04:25 PM
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9. It's not because of wage discrimination. |
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Instead, it's because boys and girls have different jobs.
The very article that you posted states that boys are more likely to work at manual labor, while girls are more likely to work as babysitters.
No one should be surprised that people who work at manual labor are paid higher wages than people who sit around and play board games, watch TV, and eat junk food.
I know this, because I was a babystiter when I was a teenager. And I am male. I made less money per hour as a babysitter than my classmates who worked at other jobs, but I also knew that my job was way easier and the working conditons were better.
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Sat Dec-18-04 04:39 PM
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10. Until the "child" threatens you with a knife |
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Sorry, bad memory. I don't know why I was so scared to tell his mother about it especially when she paid me less than agreed because the boy didn't do his homework (which was when he threatened me with a knife). I didn't boy sit this 11 year old boy again. I was 14 at the time. I only baby sat a couple times for other people after that, all little children.
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Sun Dec-19-04 12:31 AM
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I am so sorry that that happened to you.
I babysat lots of kids, many times. And nothing like that ever happened to me.
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Sun Dec-19-04 10:10 AM
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It's hard to believe what an 11 year old can do sometimes. Did the parents ever find out what he wsas like? I'd hate to think of another girl having to be put in that situation -- she may not be as lucky as you were.
Now related to that -- do you think people should automatically be paid more for jobs that threaten their life, safety or health?
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Sun Dec-19-04 02:03 PM
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14. As far as I know, no one got physically hurt |
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He is a young adult now. He took up wrestling in junior high and high school, which I hope that he channeled his violent impulses into rather than having it enhance them. As far as jobs paying more that threaten life, safety, of health, I think that they should come with more pay. Even if that kid hadn't gotten violent though, babysitters are responsible for the children's life, safety, and health. If a store clerk messes up really bad, the store may be out a little bit of money. If the babysitter, nurse, etc mess up someone could be dead, disabled, or unnessarily hurt. How much are people worth?
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Sun Dec-19-04 04:53 PM
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15. I found this out when I was 20/21 and working a "part-time" job, full-time |
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They hired a new guy who supposedly had "experience" in what I was doing (I worked the camera counter at a drug store). They hired him on at a quarter more than what I was making after raises!! I was furious! I found out what he was asking for because it was marked on his application that the manager (who was friendly with me) had left on part of my counter, in the open. I was livid! I asked if he was making this much and the manager said "yes." I promptly got a raise after that to make the same amount as this guy was making.
What REALLY pissed me off is that when he started working there I had to TRAIN him on how to do EVERYTHING! He didn't even know how to ring out items! And supposedly he had all this experience from grocery stores!! :grr: I was warned by other female managers that this drug store had a horrible history with not paying/treating women equally.
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