How to Upgrade Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) to Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty)

[pokerfan]

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-810-intrepid-to-ubuntu-904-jaunty.html

Sweet! I need this most of all as I am exactly two weeks into my linux experience and I'm already due for an upgrade!

Any opinions on the LTS releases vs the periodic six month cycle or is that more of an enterprise Canonical issue? I know I went with 8.10 for the home desktop because I wanted latest/greatest.

[RoyGBiv]

1. Canonical . . .

Ubuntu does this differently than other distros I've used. They tend to have two "releases" per major revision, the .04 and the .10 versions. The first will have long term support, the second shorter term. The first is marketed to enterprises and those who are primarily interested in stability, the second is mainly for the "latest and greatest" crowd. As an editorial comment, I was with Ubuntu via Kubuntu from 7.04 thru 8.04, stopping at 7.10 along the way. As far as stability was concerned, I didn't find a heaping lot of difference between 7.04 and 7.10. The difference occurs if you want to install your OS and forget about doing a reinstall for a lengthy period of time. If that's you, then go with the LTS version.

By Contrast, openSuSE and Fedora have a major release, then several minor releases, and all that gets worked into an enterprise release SLED for SuSE and Red Hat for Fedora.

I just upgrade when I feel like it and tend to upgrade specific software on a regular basis as new revisions are released. Some packages are always in heavy development, and I'll stay bleeding edge with a few of those, particularly multimedia stuff.

[pokerfan]

2. Sounds like I chose correctly

For my purposes, anyway. The last LTS release is a year old and I didn't think I wanted to start that far back. I'm more of a latest/greatest type anyway. I'm just having a blast playing with the thing. Going to try to get MythTV up and running with the tuner card this weekend.

I should have done this years ago.

Thanks.

[SKKY]

3. For what it's worth, I upgrade with almost every release...

...It ends up working out to about the same number of reinstalls when I would use Windows, as I typically reinstall the OS on my laptop every 6 months or so. From what I gather, the LTS depends mostly on what Conanical will support/not support and for how long. I've never used their support, so that's not something I'm really concerned about.

[RoyGBiv]

4. Speaking of installs ...

I'd rather install a Linux distro once a week than install Windows once a year.

[charlie]

5. I DO install a distro once a week

Okay, that's an exaggeration, but not a terrible one. That I enjoy being a Linux dilettante, installing distros for fun (ooh, DizBusterLinux 3.0, lets see what that's all about!), says all I need to know about how easy it is. Windows is like cleaning the garage. The result is nice, but getting there is drudgery.

[RoyGBiv]

6. I used to do that ...

But, I have this pack-rat problem, and apparently it extends to Linux distros.

I started collecting the things, both the ISOs and putting four bootable partitions on a drive and then digging around to find other drives. It's the original reason I installed not one but two removable hard drive trays. Then I started collecting hard drives from anywhere I could find them. I had a great source of them for awhile building new systems for people or fixing old ones and installing new drives. I'd get their old drives as a part of the process and use them for this.

It got a little ridiculous after awhile.

I've limited myself now to two bootable partitions and a separate Windows drive. I *never* touch the latter 'cause I don't wanna have to deal with reinstalling it. That disc will die some day ... <sigh>

Anyway, I get the itch about once every three or four months and start using something new, get it just to where I want it, then try something else. I keep saying I'm going to go back to the Church of Bob and just stay there, but I keep not doing it.

I should do a LFS. That'd keep me busy for a long time.

Speaking of newness, have you heard about Debian doing a dual-kernel thing so that you can choose either Linux or BSD? I just saw a blurb about it a few weeks back and haven't looked into it yet.

[charlie]

7. No, I hadn't heard that about BSD

Does that mean BSD using full Linux GUI architecture, the windowing system, desktops, etc? That would be pretty cool. BSD has always seemed a bit hairy to me, but put it in a Linux environment and I might get a toehold.

If Linux propellerheads take to this, I wonder how long before they manage to get Mac apps working. (Or has someone done it already and I haven't heard about it? Is there an Apple Wine?)

[RoyGBiv]

8. Found the thread ...

Slashdot thread: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/05/222239

Original announcement on debian-devel-announce: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/04/msg00001.html

From a quick skim through the thread (it's too late for me actually to pay attention) it appears that this has been done before by Gentoo and that it's been possible for Debian for awhile but is only now being incorporated into the official branch, although in unstable, of course. The magic will be in making the Linux libraries that interact with the kernel work with the BSD kernel loaded.

Or something.

As for the Apple thing, I have no idea. I've wondered that myself actually but have never had the motivated to look it up.

[charlie]

9. Wait. At once?

I didn't think you were talking about concurrent OSes, but that seems to be what they're saying. Wow.

For a few years, I've been hearing prognosticators say virtual computing will be the end of Windows hegemony. Like, how many times have you heard THAT before?

Now, I don't know. I'm starting to believe it's true, that VC really is the disruptive tech that can change everything.

Man oh man, pleeease let it be so.

[charlie]

10. To put a point on it

Win7 is going to ensure back-compatibility by running XP inside of 7:

http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/04/24/secret-no-more-revealing-windows-xp-mode-for-windows-7

Yo dawg, I heard you like running Windows in your Windows...

[RoyGBiv]

12. I see a new marketing ploy ...

Windows 7 - All the stability of XP, all the bloat of Vista

[charlie]

14. All you can eat

Install VirtualBox in virtual XP. Install Win95. Install DosBox in Win95.

It'd be like a Friday The 13th box set. All the horror and cheese you can stand, at your fingertips. Anytime.

[RoyGBiv]

11. Cool, ain't it?

I read through everything in the daylight, and I'm still not clear on the particulars.

But it is a new(er) way forward. It's the kind of thing, though, that only open sourced products could really do well, at least under our current patent and copyright structure. That should be a good thing, if funding for development and implementation is available.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

13. I might try it later, It cost me a long day to get my Canon printer working via the network

and I don't want to mess with changing anything right now.



and....

Ubuntu Ultimate Edition 2.1 ROCKS!

[Deja Q]

15. Doesn't mention converting an existing EXT3 partition to the new and much improved EXT4

:(

[pokerfan]

16. Ext4

http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/super-fast-ext4-filesystem-arrives-in-ubuntu-9-04.ars