I've checked out the chart of Scott Walker

[Ricochet21]

this man is not to be fooled with.
He is very slick (I don't like him) but, he is not to be taken lightly.
He is a tool of Pluto, double-Scorpio, 2 other planets in Scorpio, Pl Venus Uranus in Virgo.

He must be stopped :hi:

[Sanity Claws]

1. Can you explain what those things mean?

After all your postings, I think I understand that "a tool of Pluto" means that he is involved in the tearing down so that a new sounder construction can replace it.
Are all people with lots of planets in Pluto tools of Pluto?
What is significant about Pluto Venus and Uranus in his Virgo? Virgo is ruled by Mercury, not Pluto.

[Ricochet21]

2. well

There are times, such as these massive Pluto times, when it's KINDA LIKE Pl chooses an emissary to do his light and/or dark work.
We have wonderful Pl workers doing light work such as OGR. Then, there's Hitler in 1930, Hussein, recently, on and on.
Even when we see Manson and what he did. He was at that time, the voice, the personification of Pl itself.

Such is this governor himself - an "avatar" of dark energies.

All born during the sixties had Uranus and PL together in Virgo. That makes them a small sub-generation with a collective purpose.
With his Venus already COLD in Virgo, placed between Uranus and Pluto, you figure it!
Then, as many do, he has Chiron in Pisces opp. Pluto! That makes him THINK he's doing "God's will" in his own way. Palin and Beck have this too.

He's a very dangerous man because he has been CREATED by the Dark Collective. That's it in a nutshell. :hide:

[Ricochet21]

3. I don't have his birth time

but I think he's all about personal power (limitless); he is strategic, surgical and astute. Beware. Support Wisconsin!

[southerncrone]

4. But..but...but...but...I'm a double-Scorpio w/other planets in Scorpio, too!

So just what are you trying to say? (hands on hips)

Does that make me a "tool" of Pluto, too? :evilgrin:

[rosesaylavee]

5. I don't think you are a 'tool'

:hide:

[Ricochet21]

6. It's a very complex story

YOU didn't surface during all these wars with the Unions.
He did, he is ONE OF THE personifications of the dark side (purely for power) of PL

You have to see the whole chart. When a MALE has a lot of Scorpio, it's very hard for them to resist the temptations
for power needs. It works much different on the "female self."

Scorpio energies can be absolutely marvelous, not the way he's using them

You're cool, don't sweat it. Plus you have Mars/Neptune which greatly decreases your need for Power. Am amplified Moon, which makes you Cancerian and sensitive, your chart is an entirely different story. See how dangerous astrology is when you just know the basics? It takes time. :hi:

[southerncrone]

7. Whew! Glad I'm a girl for once! LOL

But time's not on my side.
I've gotta get a time for a reading soon! :hi:

[glinda]

42. Well better a tool of Pluto than say Venus. I don't mind being a tool of Pluto.

[Ricochet21]

56. Why would you rather be a tool of Pluto

compared to Venus? :shrug:

[shanti]

50. triple here

sun and two other planets in scorpio, AND it's also my rising sign! :yoiks:

[Matariki]

8. Interesting.

And looking at his chart - how can he be 'stopped'? What about his upcoming transits, etc - is he going to 'win' this fight?

He certainly seems like one extremely stubborn and unyielding piece of work. I don't like him either.

[Ricochet21]

9. Charts don't say whether is will win or lose

that's up to the entire collective to stop him. Saturn for example, could pass by a critical area in his chart and stop him, or it might not. It's not that simple.

Hitler could have been stopped, but he wasn't until much too late.
It's impossible to know what's best for the souls involved in this fight.

All we can do is do our best to educate and illuminate people to stop his tactics. He is out for power, period.

The group consciousness of WI and most of labor in the country is rising against him. Let's hope.

[Matariki]

10. I'm not sure if I agree w/ that completely.

If you recall, you yourself correctly predicted Mubarak's ouster based on his chart.

And yeah, I'm hoping.

[Ricochet21]

13. Yes, I see

I didn't "predict" it, he could have stayed. The heavy indications were that he would be ousted. It pretty clear.
In this guys case, I just don't know; he hasn't been around that long while Mubarak was in his 30th year.
Good that you stay on me like that though! :hi:

[Matariki]

16. I should rephrase my question

What I meant was, are there any current aspects which might indicate that he's fighting a losing battle with public opinion? Or beneficial aspects that help him come out on top of this?

Do you happen to have a link to his chart, or screen shot?

And finally, I wasn't aware I was "staying on you"! But since you mention it, you did post this: "Mubarak hasn't got a chance".

I love your posts, you know! :hi:

(edited for misspellings)

[Ricochet21]

21. It's all good Matariki

No, it's much too early to tell re: Walker's success. He's too early on the scene and I don't have his birthtime.
We'll know much more about him on 3/11.

Try this:

http://www.starself.com/walker.bmp

[Matariki]

25. Oooh, will you look at that chart.

I'd bet a dollar he has some serious sexual kinks. I'm talking David Vitter style kinks. Now, I'm all for kinkiness (that have consensual outlets) - but they don't often help politician's careers if they become public.

Wouldn't you just love to get a hold of his birthtime?

[Ricochet21]

27. All you have to see

besides the double-scorpio is VEnus between Uranus and Pluto :hi:

[Cleita]

11. Well, one of the ways is to dig into his past and find out

where he gets his money and then make sure it makes the news. Rachel did some exposing tonight about his record when he was an exec for Milwaukee county. He fired all the security guards and replaced them with Wackenhut, the same guys who were doing the anal vodka shots in Afghanistan. She said his purpose in politics is to privatize everything. That's why he is union busting. It's going to be up to journalists to keep exposing him and digging everything up that can make him look bad. As much as I disdain sex scandals because I believe mostly public officials private lives should be private, in his case I hope someone finds him bathroom tapping or involved with a sleazy hooker. This guy is a bulldozer and the only way to stop him is to make sure we do our own bull dozing back at him.

On edit: Forgot to add this link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/TP104/scott-walker-wisconsin-budget-protests_n_826021_78192981.html

[findrskeep]

12. Last night my husband came upstairs after seeing Walker

on the news. And he says, "You know there is something really evil about that guy...as soon as I saw him on tv, I just knew there was something really dark about him". Interestingly enough, he didn't know I had just read what Rick had posted about his chart. As I looked at him again, I noticed his eyes look "dead", just dark and dead. Yuck!

[Ricochet21]

14. Funny

in good scorpios there a kind of cold distant core
in bad ones, the same thing, but it goes more towards the dead , like Spiro Agnew was

Pluto rules both types from a cold distant perch
look in Neil Young's eyes, or Joni Mitchell. Wonderful Scorpios, yet distant far distant. It's in their archetypal nature. :hi:

I've even seen it in Scorpio pets.

[Howler]

15. My little Scorpio Pug,Thurber

Does have her Camille moments of "I Vant To be Alone" at times.LOL!
But most of the time she wants to be snuggled and admired.

[kimmerspixelated]

18. Yeppir, and did you read

"Girls Like Us" a bio of Joni, Carole King and Carly Simon? It was very interesting all the details of Joni's life. I am a huge fan of Joni, but after reading the bio, I wasn't so sure I liked her much anymore, I mean personally. There were some things that happened that I thought were very cold and definitely distant as you say. But she made a lot of choices out of the love of her art path and not being tied down as her mother and grandmother were, not free to pursue what they wanted to do.

My daughter is a Scorpio, and I see a disturbing cold side sometimes. I should send her stats.

[southerncrone]

19. Fear not, Kpix.

Your daughter will be fine. We Scorpios often use that cold side to gain some solitude & peace & quiet (a must for us....if we don't get time to ourselves to recharge & sort things out, we would explode.....NOT a pretty sight!). :nuke:

It is also a quick way to rid ourselves of leaches & slackers & pests, who often try to attach to us since we are extremely focused on success. No need to waste our precious time on them. Not to say we don't care about those in need, just those who WON'T pull their OWN weight. Sometimes we have to help others learn to be strong on their own....even if they don't understand our ways.

Tough love should be our mantra. Patience & tolerance our lesson to learn.:hippie:

[Ricochet21]

20. Very insightful and well said

I can't wait until you read my Scorpio chapter and get your opinion on that. :hi:

[southerncrone]

24. I'm sooooo looking forward to it!

:hi:

[Missy Vixen]

29. I'm looking forward to reading the Scorpio chapter, too

I have Scorpio rising, as Rick knows. Despite being a Leo, I need to rest and recharge. A lot. And, typically, alone. ;-)

[Ricochet21]

30. Resting and recharging is not "mine"

that's more of a Pisces character.
I'll start watching that to see if it's common amongst Scorpios

Southerncrone offered that.
Her need to rest and rejuvenate may be more due to her exact conjunction of Neptue/Mars :hi:

[Sanity Claws]

32. I also have a need to rest and recharge alone

And I have no planets in Scorpio or Pisces.
Maybe it's just a common trait among all humans.

[I Have A Dream]

33. I know many people who don't need time alone.

Many of those people actually dislike being alone. I'd like to be someone who doesn't need time alone, but I'd hate to be someone who is uncomfortable with being by themselves. (I'm surprised how many people I know who are the latter.)

[Ricochet21]

35. Good point Sanity

but I do see a particularily excessive need for many with strong Pisces or exaggerated Neptune to do so. That's because they absorb so much negativity from the world around them. They have to get clear of it. :hi:

[I Have A Dream]

31. Me too, MV.

I have always needed a lot of this. I don't require a lot of sleep, but I definitely need a lot of time alone doing my own things without any obligations. That's the only way that my battery is recharged.

I have Scorpio rising, moon in Scorpio, Neptune in Scorpio, and at least one other thing that adds Scorpio energy to my chart (Mars in the 8th house).

It takes a lot of explaining before my friends understand that I'm not avoiding them or that I don't love them just because I need to be alone. Luckily, my husband gives me a lot of space.

I almost feel as though I have a leak in my "energy container" and when I'm around people either physically or on-line (even those I love and with whom I enjoy interacting), the leak goes from being a trickle to being a steady stream.

My life would be so much better if this weren't the case. :(

[Proud_Lefty]

34. Dream, you shouldn't feel bad about that

I spent most of my youth alone and very depressed about it. I wanted a lot of people around me. So I married someone who wants a lot of people around him, a real people person. We have a lot of activities going on most the time and, as I've told you, I'm finding myself more and more wanting off the social scene and more into reflective time alone. Although my husband gives me time alone, he wants none of it for himself. When he wakes up in the morning, the TV immediately goes on with the volume up high. When he gets in his car, the radio goes up with the volume up high. He either goes to a friend's house to visit or turns on the TV when he gets home from work and it remains on until he goes to bed. When he is gone, all TV's and radios go off. I adore the silence, the thoughts to myself. Those quiet moments have become such a treat, and I wish my husband knew how wonderful they can be. For some reason, he seems to want to be as far away from them as he can possibly get. :shrug:

[I Have A Dream]

36. PL, you're such a sweetheart.

:loveya:   :pals:   :loveya:

I guess that I'd just like to have a choice as to whether I isolate myself. :(

In reference to your situation, did you ever consider setting up a room of your own where you can completely control your environment. That's why I originally set up the room where I spend most of my time; my husband can have the TV blaring, be listening to music, and talk on the phone all at the same time. I felt as though I was being assaulted even though I had white-noise headphones on. My own area has solved that problem. :) (You may already have an area like this; if so, that's a good step in the right direction, I think.)

:hug:

[Proud_Lefty]

37. Alone spaces are always good

I've made those areas for myself and am actually very happy with it. I just stopped and noticed that my husband has no desire for any type quiet time whatsoever for himself, and that seems odd. However, most people these days seem to want constant noise, constant activities, constant communication, constant, constant, constant. Everything, but divine connection through looking within, which is so important to every single one of us, whether they know it or not.

Your need for alone time is perfectly natural, Dream. It's the rest of us that seem to me to be a little confused on how it works.

:hug: :loveya:

[NJCher]

57. Hey Missy Vixen

I have Leo sun and Scorpio ascendent, too.

What's your moon? Mine's Pisces.

I now return you to your regular program.


Cher

[glinda]

41. We have that cold side or "perceived" as a cold side. Takes people by surprise. I

think Joni is cooooooool. She is protective though.

[glinda]

43. That is funny. I avoid looking at people's eyes because when I do, it obviously

impacts them. lol!

[shanti]

51. yes

spot on...of course! :hi:

[katty]

17. agree, walker has the GOP zombie-eyed gaze-he certainly

was bought and paid for by Koch bros-and they expect him to come through.

[uberblonde]

22. I just assumed...

He's another closeted gay Republican! That would accord for that "I'm holding myself together by denying who I am" craziness.

[Ricochet21]

28. He's a hatchet man

then he'll be a rich puppet with pseudo power

[glinda]

44. He has no emotion in his voice.

[Me.]

58. He Doesn't Blink

[Proud_Lefty]

23. This is the first time big corp money is really

being challenged. The people vs. Koch, et al. Finally, the battle in this country that's way overdue. Time to put those manifestation visors on.

[Sienna86]

26. Radio show phone call

The Buffalo Beast prank-called the Governor (supposedly a call from David Koch). What I took away from listening to the recording is that the Governor is not going to budge. He spoke for the majority of the time, the radio host only had to throw in a few remarks. The Governor appears to be quite taken with himself and his agenda.

http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=5045

[BuelahWitch]

38. Must not have Mercury in Scorpio

He likes to flap his yap. You'd think with that much Scorpio he'd be more careful about what he says or writes. We're usually pretty secretive...

[Helga Scow Stern]

39. His Mercury is in Scorpio, but dimmed by the Sun and

retrograde, and challenged by Saturn. Today, Jupiter was aspecting it and conjunct his Saturn making him less than cautious. This could be a fateful slip.

[BuelahWitch]

45. Ooh, born under Mercury retrograde?

thanks for the info! :hi:

[glinda]

40. Now quit it! I have several in Scorp and I in no way resemble this nutbag. Geeeze!

[Shallah Kali]

46. ((hug))

I know a bit how you feel as an Aquarian sharing a sign with palin, cheney and the like :puke: :puke: :puke:

[glinda]

47. Sorry.

[Shallah Kali]

48. makes ya go {{{shudder}}}

but just like sometimes I have to remind myself with relatives - I am not my relatives even if we share lots of DNA I am *not* those people. I might share some astrological positions with palin & beck but I am not them, never have been, never will be nor am I responsible for what my 'fellow' aquarians, relatives, neighbors, or other associated group did.

[Ricochet21]

49. There are many, many, many other factors in their charts

that make them as they are, and the combination
It's not their Aquarianness, it's Lon Cheney's cruel combinations with Saturn and too many planets in Taurus. Would you believe his Moon is in Pisces?

The whole chart is distinct. We all get too hung up on our sun sign. be cool :hi:

[Shallah Kali]

52. I eventually got that...

my first reaction was a bit like finding out a former neighbor's kid or someone who went to the same small school I had gone to got caught doing horrible things like they do. Kinda slimmed by proximity. Or maybe it is the excessive guilt even for things I hadn't done complex as a Bach flower pine person has :shrug:

[murielm99]

53. Have you done charts for the Koch brothers? n/t

[Ricochet21]

54. No Koch

I need birth info if anyone knows

[Ricochet21]

55. Koch bros

David seems to have similarities of THEME as per Bernie Madoff, although a birth time is very much needed. The other brother I can't tell a thing without his birthtime. I would be guessing.