Fallout 3: Teaser/Trailer

[YOY]

Dig in folks! Looks pretty interesting.

Personally, I just hope they keep the isometric POV...

[Orsino]

1. Links are good.

http://fallout.bethsoft.com/teaser.html

[YOY]

2. Oopsies!

Yes. Yes they are. Color my face magenta... :blush:

[Bjorn Against]

3. The new issue of Game Informer has Fallout 3 as the cover story

There are several screen shots along with gameplay details. I have not read the whole article yet, but I can tell you this. It does not use the isometric POV, but is instead in full 3D with absolutely gorgeous graphics and a choice between third person and first person perspectives. It appears as if you start the game out at birth and the actions you take in your childhood will effect the character you become as an adult as the game progresses. Very interesting way of creating your character to say the least, and while it may make for a very slow first few hours of the game it certainly has a lot of potential to create one of the deepest character development systems seen in an RPG..

On edit: I read the whole article now and it appears the game is set in a post-apocalyptic Washington DC, which obviously has the potential for a very interesting storyline. They say the game map is only slightly smaller than that of Oblivion, so it should be a very long game. The editors of Game Informer raved about what they saw, the game is still over a year away from completion and they said it is already running very smoothly with hardly any technical hiccups. The preview looks very good, and while I was not a huge fan of Fallout 2 (I never played the first) this one has me excited.

[YOY]

4. Well, not buying it then.

Isometric was the only thing I wanted of it. The ONLY thing. Instead they had to make it into Oblivion with guns...

Of cpirse I'll still play it but not buying it. :evilgrin:

[Bjorn Against]

5. Well you may be happy to hear...

Game Informer was really emphasizing that this game is NOT Oblivion with guns, they say it plays completely different than Oblivion and the developers are basically throwing everything they did on Oblivion out the window and starting from scratch.

[YOY]

6. Actually the lack of isometric makes me wince

It has always seemed to me that a good sequel needs to have everything that fan's liked from the original and then some. Isometric had it's charms and who the hell decided it was dead and gone? I mean the original used it when it wasn't popular and it became a smash.

I have a feeling it will be catered to the platform crowd and not to the original fan base. NoMutantsAllowed.com is abuzz with pissed off FO fans. I fear this new Fallout will be a severely 'dumbed down' version of the former.

Oblivion is not a 'bad game' but it should have been a port from the PC to the X-Box and not the other way around. Gigantic text. The dialog choices are horrendously short and impersonal and the entire world lacks (albeit not visually) a certain personality. If they try that dialog stuff (and they say that it will resemble Oblivion's more than the original series' then I won't be happy. Oblivion was 'dumbed down' to make it more playable to platform owners. Glad they made money on it and it wasn't half bad but it takes far less brains to play it than say...Baldur's Gate.

Of course PC modders did Bethesda's dirty work for them and made it somewhat manageable but it still kept that dumbed down feel. I mean where were the 'creative spells' like 'Wish' or something that does a bit more than shoot poison, cold, fire, or lightning like 'Hideous Wilting'? Where is the replayability? It's gigantic true but compared to FO, BG, and Torment, it doesn't hold a candle in the personality and TLC added departments...

Part of me hopes it will be the ushering in of a new golden age of PCRPGs as it was being let to before Bioware/Black Isle lost the D&D license. Part of me thinks it will just be Oblivion with guns no matter how they try to deny it.


I dunno. I'm rather curious what DUer Lerkfish thinks of this all. He was, after all, one of the original Unwashed Villagers.

[Lerkfish]

7. checking in...

two comments:

First, on the teaser: looks pretty much like the previous two, except not as interesting. The opening scene of Fallout 2 was one of the best, where the family leaves the vault and is gunned down by mutants. Can 't beat that.
this teaser doesn't do much for me, just a powerarmor suit at the end? I mean, yeah, DC is recognizable, but I would hope for a little more. this doesn't make me want to buy the game.

Second: on isometric vs. 3D.
not sure how I feel about it, to be honest, I agree with YOY that the isometric had its own charm, and turn based action was both good and bad. Better for strategy, worse for large battles involving whole towns. (!)
When I played Fallout, the isometric view was something NEW, and different. At the time, we had things like DOOM and Marathon that were first person shooters with a little problem solving and a very stilted planar perspective. Fallout was a TRUE RPG, and the isometric feel suited well the turn-based play and verbal choices.
FWIW, both Fallout and Fallout II had 3D set scenes or "talking heads", which were also rather groundbreaking at the time.
I do feel nostalgic about the original isometric, but its easy to forget it was FORWARD thinking when it came out. Now, its old tech.
I've played Oblivion, the elder scrolls on the Xbox 360, and I thought it felt like what Fallout could have been if the tech were available.

I'm anxious to see fallout 3, but I was already waning in interest in Fallout 2 because the side quests that required multiple locations to solve really bogged down the overall play, IMHO.

About the growing up from a baby, that's the problem with replaying Fallout 1 and 2: either the ratcaves or the village become quickly tedious. I think they should allow you to bypass that if you so choose.

anyways, that's my first impression on the info. Thanks YOY for alerting me.

[chicagomd]

8. I just dontated...

So I could post a meaningless response on this thread.

Fallout 2 was my first introduction to RPGs, computer and otherwise.

I will schedule vacation, send my wife and kids to her mother's, and put an IV line in myself when this game comes out.

[YOY]

9. You don't need to donate to DU to use it

But it's a great thing to do!

[chicagomd]

10. shhhhhhh...

Don't let stuff like that out!

[DS1]

12. You do in order to be able to post in groups

otherwise you can only read, but you can post in the main forums

[DS1]

11. Well, that told me a whole lot of nothin

Seems like game trailers these days only focus on the graphic engines, and not the actual gameplay.

And 2008? Fall 2008? Please.

[Bjorn Against]

13. If you can find a copy of the latest Game Informer there is a lot more info

It is the cover story, and there are a lot more gameplay details

[PVnRT]

14. I blame the critics

I'll read reviews where the critic will expound about how great the game is, but give it a low score because some of the graphics aren't great (or, even worse, the online play isn't wonderful). I'd rather have a game that swaps graphics for gameplay any day - I could care less how "realistic" the crowd looks on a football game, or if there's activity on the sidelines, or whatever.

[DS1]

15. Exactly

It's like when Quake3 came out, and really pushed video cards, so anyone wanting to be really competitive while playing online would knock down the resolutions, shut of AA, disable curves, etc etc.

[semillama]

16. apparently, the NPC AI is a big improvement on Oblivion

The NPCs won't have the random discussions, but rather will have character-specific conversations, so if a father is talking to his son, he will have a discussion that is different than if the father is talking to his neighbor. Plus, a lot more variation in NPC voices, which was my biggest gripe with the Oblivion NPCs.

I haven't played the first two games, but this one looks fantastic.

[YOY]

17. If you haven't played the first two games then GO PLAY the first two games

Learn what a real RPG is as well as play a couple of timeless games with well written storylines and a GOOD turnbased system with an isometric view.

There are reasons why many of us love them and are praying that Bethesda won't muck it up.

These are not pacman: you will not get bored after 5 minutes of playing an older game.

[semillama]

18. where would I find them?

and do I need a PC, or are there Mac versions that would play nice with OS 10?

[YOY]

19. Amazon for starters man

Fallout 1: http://www.amazon.com/MacPlay-Fallout-Mac/dp/B00006GXD7/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8899163-4912651?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1184515313&sr=8-1

Fallout 2: http://www.amazon.com/MacPlay-Fallout-2-Mac/dp/B00006GXD1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-8899163-4912651?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1184515313&sr=8-2

No reason why a Mac Gamer should go without!