Jumping off the change train ...

[bpeale]

Cal's Straight Talk -- Jumping Off the Change Train

Okay, maybe I am over-analyzing here but has anyone noticed a "change"?

I'm talking about the change in how the dem "establishment" has changed the campaign issues. For six or more years the number-one complaint of the public has been about the political and government system -- the corruption that led to Iraq and most other problems. This public complaint and disgust put the dems in the majority in the last elections.

It has made no difference. Now we are even angrier.

Realizing this, the dem candidates all hit the 2008 campaign trail talking about change. That is getting a big response from the public because, having once voted for change and not gotten any, we're even more determined to get some change...

But the dems have changed the definition of change.

more at: http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=50835

this will be my last post folks. i have asked Skinner to delete my account. Edwards exit has led me to believe there will never be any meaningful change.

it has been nice consorting with you all! play nice out there!

[pamela]

1. I hope you won't leave.

There are many here that I have been hoping to get to know better and you are definitely one of those people.

[Two Americas]

2. it is all our fault

Those excesses of ours...

From the blog -

So now the Obama message of change is emphasizing even more heavily that it is "society" that must change. "We the people" must change for the better. When "we" get better, then we will have better government. All the change now talked about is a change in the "public attitude," not a change in the political system. The Obama onus is on us as a society to be better, not for the government to be better. Then after 'we" become a better society we can "take control" of our government.

So how do we do take control after we become better? Will the same politicians in DC listen to us any better after we become better? Will the disapproval ratings the public has given congress, the lowest in history, be taken seriously after "we" become a better society? Will the sit-in's, the petitions, the calls, the protests, the pleas, the votes millions of Americans have already cast be taken seriously when "we" and not "they" become better?

What is going on here by the dem establishment, considering how the repub party has imploded, is the failings of the dem party -- the corruption of the system that has been our main complaint -- is being tossed back to the public like a hot potato. Now, we discover that all our problems are caused by our failings as a society, not by the politicians' own corruption and failures.

Neat trick...I am not falling for it.

[bpeale]

6. for this one article, i truly felt the grief of John dropping out of the race

and not just for me, but for everyone who will continue to suffer because they just won't change anything. and i grieve for people who are just so stupid and uninformed that they absolutely won't vote for what's best for them. they're still voting against their own best interests.

like i told saracat, we simply cannot afford another president who needs OJT (on the job training) & obama would need plenty of that. but i don't buy his hype, and i don't trust him. just watching his actions in the debate turns my stomach. so i can't support obama under any circumstances.

but i have issues with hillary too. her corporate backers, but especially the way in which she is conducting her campaign. she says she can control her husband? well then she better be telling him to bow the fuck out & keep his trap shut. there are plenty of us out here who can't stand to think of another clinton in office & especially don't want to hear anything from him. he shamed the democratic party once, and then turned around & at every turn befriended the bush crime family who did & said horrible things about him when he was running. he makes me sick & should just shut up. but John did have that private meeting after that one debate with her & that tells me that he trusts her more than he trusts obama. that means something to me.

if only she didn't have all those corporate backers. if only she would recent her iraq war vote. if only she would recant her support for Kyle-Lieberman. these would go a long way to make me trust her. right now i don't.

peace.

[waiting for hope]

3. Don't leave bpeale !

We need to hold their feet to the fire and I ever so want to do that with my buds!

[bpeale]

5. truly, my heart is so broken over this, i can hardly breathe

much less think of any other candidate. and in all honesty, i don't think i can support or vote for any other candidate but John. he supports my needs so completely. guess i'm a true progressive!

[Yael]

4. This is more than just about an election

DOn't leave. :hug: