I AM CLERICJOHNPRESTON AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE

[ClericJohnPreston]

To all the shills for candidates other than John Edwards, to the over the top proselytizers who were former Edwards supporters, to those with the detestable Pepsi banner in their sig lines, and finally to those with the intent to foment discord or divide and splinter this group.....leave now, or face the ire of this united front of Edwards supporters.

Why do you think this group is so hard core, so tough to crack, and the last remaining vestige of REASON on this site?

Unlike the kool-aid crowd, we were weaned on critical-thinking and logic. We will never imbibe from the kool-aid fountain, for we listen and hear the NOTHING that passes for soaring rhetoric in the Obama Camp. We laugh and scoff at the DISINGENUOUS manipulation of people by that camp. We laugh at the easy acceptance of empty words, words without substance, which are subsequently praised by supporters as "meaningful".

You are a constant source of endless amusement, with your dim-witted acceptance of an empty suit right-winged milquetoast, who survives on plans as Rovian as Rove himself, the splintering of this Party and the naivete and outright STUPIDITY of his fervant acolytes.

Come here. I already knew you wouldn't stop coming here. I was prescient enough to sound the alarm bells about Obamites when I first came to this board, and you proved me right then , as well.

So, come back. Each time you do, I will answer your empty, pithy, non-statements and pure nonsense with hard facts. Here is the first:

JOHN EDWARDS HASN'T ENDORSED OBAMA BECAUSE OBAMA COULDN'T BE FURTHER THAN THE IDEALS OF JOHN EDWARDS.

Some batshit crazy Obamites come here and argue based on the one speech that EDWARDS never wrote! Which one? The last one from New Orleans. That one was written FOR him. It is the one he stumbled through, reading at breakneck speed. Any sane Edwards person knew he was trying to tell us these words were not his, they were forced down his throat.

So, we will not let interlopers here whose mission is to force empty words down our throats.

Be gone, or be ridiculed. Your choice.

[chimpymustgo]

1. Cleric, thanks for this OP. Maybe the message will finally seep into the Koolaid addled brains

of the Obamatologists.

I am baffled by their need to come in here and harass us.

[mac56]

2. Absolutely.

May the people most in need read it, and heed it.

[ClericJohnPreston]

3. WE shall see

We shall see...

[flyarm]

4. Hey Obamabrats and freaks..

I went to Iowa for John Edwards..I was a volunteer..I went right after Xmas and was there through New Years ..My husband was home alone..but he knew it was that important for me to be there.

I walked up snowy driveways, and Knocked on doors of strangers...

but they were not strangers to me..they were Americans..they were the heartland..

I walked up snowy lawns with snow up to my hips..with the outside air at 30 below zero with the wind chill..well i am from Florida..so that is damn cold to me..

I remember laughing because my nose hairs froze..i didn't know that could happen!! lmao..

The airlines stole my heavy gloves and hat and scarf out of my suitcase..so all i had were my "pretty" xmas gloves..so each night with tears in my eyes i stood in my hotel room with my hands in hot water in the sink..

But i was there for the right reasons..I knew who would be the best person for my white house!

I walked up a long snowy driveway one day and i was greeted at the door by a frail man..a vet of Vietnam he told me..

He had a handkerchief around his head..and he told me he wanted to go caucus for John Edwards..but he has cancer..and has no immunities because of the meds he lives on..he got tears in his eyes..and said..John is the only one who can save this country..and i agreed with him..he told me he only had a short time left..and he has been totally fucked by the V.A. under Bush..

his grown son was there..and he just let his dad talk..I was in that house with that man listening to his story for over an hour..he was my generation..my generations war..his story is in my heart..

before i left he asked me ..why are you doing this..why would you come and listen to an old man like me..and i said..On 9/11 my co-workers were killed ..and he grabbed me and hugged me so tight..he said..ahhh you have an agenda..I said ,,yes i do..through tears..we both stood there crying like babies..

he for the loss of his life ..and where he is ..and for what i feel and for those who i have lost..and we both knew each other had a deep loss in our hearts...that no one can ever heal.

He told me he was going to get on the phone and call all his Vet buddies and make sure they went to caucus for John Edwards..and he kissed me ..and i him...as i walked back out to that snowy driveway..and the cold..

and on to the next house in the country..with another long long driveway filled with snow..

many times up to my hips..

that man will always be with me..he owns a place in my heart..i think of him constantly..and i wonder if he is still on this earth.

and there were many others like that i met..i could sit here and write story after story of people i met in Iowa..

my point is..

you can come here..and post your bullshit..but you can never even scratch my heart..you could never hold that mans jock..and your candidate is a fraud compared to the candidate I know as John Edwards..

On New years eve John joined the volunteers in my Hotel..and talked to each and every volunteer..I have a Friend who also lost her child..i asked john if he would speak to her for a minute..he said..get her on the phone...

He stopped everything and spoke to her with all his attention and caring...and heart..

it was 5 minutes to midnight..and he kept talking to my friend as people were trying to get at him..he never wavered..

I was a delegate for John and Kerry from Fla in 2004..he remembered me..and was so sweet..and funny..and such a kind and generous, intelligent man...Every ounce of him is sincere..as is Elizabeth.



So when you come here..and think for one second you have any chance of making me even think of your candidate..i have this to say..

fuck you!

your candidate does not want my vote to count now..in Florida..i voted for John Edwards...i worked at 2 polling places all day that day..and when i was done i stood on a very busy street corner and held a sign for John Edwards until the polls closed.

i went to South Carolina and walked the streets and knocked on doors..i stood at the Capitol in the cold for hours upon hours ..rallying for John..


no your candidate is a lying sack of bullshit..he is a liar..he is a fraud..and he doesn't want my vote now in florida..so he can go fuck himself ..royally.. in November..i will sit my ass home. and don't think i won't!

and the DNC????? well i am going to demand my money back from Dean and the people there who think it is more important for them to pick our president... than we the people!

I am done with the dem party!

fly

[MissDeeds]

5. Wow, fly

Just wow. I am sitting here in one of the reddest states in the country with tears in my eyes. Thank you for all you did on behalf of John Edwards, and us. And thank you for sharing your remarkable experiences with us.

:pals:

[ClericJohnPreston]

6. Thank you Fly and all Edwards people

This is what I was terlling the interlopers in my OP, that we Edwards supporters are one tough nut to crack.

They are wasting their time here.

[spooky3]

7. thanks for your work and sharing the beautiful story

[Seabiscuit]

9. Yes, what a beautiful story. I loved your post, flyarm!

And yes, Obama and his minions can all go fuck themselves.

[Greylyn58]

8. Thank you for sharing your story and for all you did for John

I'm sitting here with tears running down my face after reading your words. What you have done and contributed are so very much appreciated. You were in the trenches-so to speak-and spoke for the people who couldn't, letting the with people about John. Spreading his message and telling the people of Iowa

I have been a supporter of John Edwards for some time. I voted for him to become our Senator here in NC(and sometimes wish he still were considering who we have now), but I supported him in his first run for President in 2004. Even though he didn't achieve that goal, he was still picked by Kerry to be his VP which really pleased me.

I truly thought his heart, his caring, his strength and determination to make a difference in DC and for the country would get John Edwards the nomination this time. I assumed that after 8 miserable, mind-numbing years of Bush, people would vote for a man, whose vision for cleaning up the damage, reclaiming the Constitution for America and giving hope to the hopeless and a voice to the voiceless would win out.

So many things, so many roadblocks were thrown in John's way. The corporations that are running this country never gave him the news coverage he deserved, nor was he treated as a viable candidate. No matter how he was doing, he was almost treated like the unknown candidate.

So when he was forced to suspend his campaign, it broke my heart. I won't even be given the chance to vote of John in the May 6th elections here in NC because the dumb-ass in charge of the State Democratic party decided to remove Edwards from the ballot. The only comfort I have is to know that there are so many others who feel as I do and I can share my frustration.

I'm sick of the anger, the name calling, the accusations, the charges of racism, of sexism. I don't even go into GD-P any more because I can't stand the nastiness. That's why I hate that some have decided to bring that into here. Trying to convert some of us. Let me just say now...for myself...

THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!

So please stop trying. John's words at his final debate have stayed with me. When Obama and Hillary were arguing back and forth, he said he felt like the only adult in the room and how was their anger going to give Health Care to those who needed it. Well...he truly was the only adult and after he left the children started a fistfight that continues to this day.

[Hermes Daughter]

19. Thank you for sharing...

and for what you did and your story. I will think of that man too now and the cold and the snow piled up and John on the phone with your friend and all we lost because... we don't know why. I am with with you on all of this and I want to know what happened and know someday we will.

[ChiciB1]

32. I Am Also In One Of The Super Red States In America AND One Of The Most

screwed up too! FLOR-EE-DUH, where my vote probably hasn't counted in many many years. One reason I find it so easy to say that I can "pan" this election. I "had a dream" that Florida would/could get it's act together, but now find laughable that so many of us here really don't have a voice.

So I'm with you "fly" and feel the very same way. And I've said it before too... I'm just plain FED UP and it sickens me!

I see you're really riled up, but there are many of us who feel the very same way! I've simply stopped almost everything I've done for Democrats and the people of America! I told my husband, my daughter, son and most of my relatives... it's TIME for others to STAND UP for something, I've put in far too many years, banging my head against the wall, volunteering, writing letters, signing petitions, making phone calls... and yet, HERE IT SIT! And it's still the SOS!!

Perhaps one day it will be better, I just DON'T KNOW ANYMORE!!

[saltpoint]

10. Well, those who respect John and Elizabeth Edwards should maybe

wait and see what they have to say about things in the coming weeks.

He could endorse Clinton, or Obama, or no one at all.

[balantz]

11. Give it a rest OC

What is the nature of the satisfaction you get by posting the same thing over and again?

What are you trying to accomplish here with us die-hard Edwards people?

It doesn't matter if John endorses or not, we still feel shafted by the way this political process is rigged to select our choices for us.

It is all an elitist game that Clinton and Obama belong to, and electing either one will be like pissing in the wind.

[saltpoint]

12. Hi, balantz. If there's a specific issue you want to discuss, just

say so.

I'm usually up for almost any topic.

I continue to participate as a Democrat in Democratic Party events and purposes. You're welcome to do so where you live, or not, as you wish. I respect your decision either way.

[ClericJohnPreston]

13. Oh look

The pod person is back.

Do you take pride OC, in sounding like a walking, talking zombie, now. That is who you are now..."the walking dead". "Zombie Man".

Lets start with your last line: ""I RESPECT YOUR DECISION EITHER WAY"

You are a complete and utter lying sack of guts ZOMBIE MAN.

These are the harshest words I've ever used on DU, but you are certainly deserving of them, you freak. Obamamaniac, Obamite, Zombie. No one has cemented the deal in disliking Obama MORE THAN YOU! How very ironic, huh, Zombie Man?

I have an issue I want to discuss with you.....YOU.

Why are you such a FREAK? Why have you lost the human sound to the extent that typing, an act already distanced from the first person conversation, sounds so MECHANICAL with you? You are the "STEPFORD TYPIST", an artificial sounding Zombie entity that has lost all semblance of being human.

IRONICALLY, YOU prove what happens to the living when they drink from the Obama fountain of Utopian brotherhood....you become an inhuman drone. That is the price you pay for your devotion to a FICTION, a completely unqualified false entity, hand-picked by the CORPORATE elite, with words by HALLMARK POSTCARDS.

Obama is the last candidate in the UNIVERSE I and everyone else here would vote for. He is a shill, bereft of knowledge, skill, experience, and DIVISIVE to the core.
Obama is a race-playing and baiting manipulator, feigning false outrage while playing his sycophantic partisans, like you, for fools.

You cheer empty platitudes, rejoice in his BI-PARTISANSHIP, a code word for CONSERVATIVE FRIENDLY bullshit, when he should be fighting Republicans, not rubbing shoulders with them.

Some Democrat.

I would vote for Hillary, just for your participation here. Wake up Zombie, wake up.

[flyarm]

14. Thank you ClericJohnPreston..you give me hope in the American citizenry!

i have about had it with these one campaign wonders who surface to tell us..the real workers and donators to the dem party what we should think and who we should support..fuck them!

Look Edwards camp knew there were many paid internet pigs working for one of the candidates..they work in pairs many times..i call them tag teams..we have all seen it..

they are using the rove playbook..

we all saw this shit in 2000 and 2001 by the RNC..and we all saw it again in 2003-4

they fool no one..

except themselves.

Tact/truth doesn't work with these paid shills..only a pay check does!!

Du and Kos have been flooded with them..in fact many of the long timers from Kos are now on strike and now have left..let Markos go out and get a real job..as far as i am concerned..

and ya know what..they all have allowed this shit..and are losing people by the shitloads..

and ya know what..we are the ones who support them in their fund raising..and just let them hold their hands on their ass next time....these paid trolls don't donate!!


Like i said i hardly come here anymore..i have found better places to be..where adults have adult conversations and none of this childish paid little annoyers.

and i will tell you..the exiting of adults..will cost all these people!!

fly

[ChiciB1]

33. Way To Go Cleric & FLy And Two Americas.... OC Was Once An Edwards

supporter and while I've let him know what I think of him, I have yet to figure out why he STILL comes to this forum to post! I find it VERY WEIRD, but even more irritating than before.

I don't think he's worth talking to myself, but I'm sure glad you guys gave him a little of your "attitude" anyway.

[Two Americas]

16. get off your ass

There are many powerful discussions going on out there, many of them started and debated by the Edwards supporters you are pestering in here, and there are important things that are being explored. Where are you? I don't see you out there discussing issues, taking stands, or doing the hard work. Racism, poverty, homelessness, the role of charity in social causes, liberal hypocrisy, collectivism, health care, the direction of the Democratic party, the role that activists should play in the party, the social constructs underlying our politics - there are enlightening discussions on some vital topics going on.

What you mean to do with this post is to bait people - "let's discuss issues" you say - for the purpose of dishonestly drawing people into listening to your sales pitch.

[flyarm]

15. it is obvious you don't!..obvious each and every day here!! eom

[ClericJohnPreston]

17. Fly and Two Americas

Thank you for your contributions, real and human sounding to the core, like the Democrats you are.

Cmon Crusoe you walking zombie; face the music now you divisive drone. Face your peers now with your divisive bullshit Obamination spew.

You are a tawdry dime store imitation of a REAL DEMOCRATIC. You wouldn't know true Democratic core beliefs if they hit you square in the jaw.

No,you are a drone of the right-wing Obamination Camp, whose policies sound as right wing as they come...NO universal healthcare, NO protection of American Industry, NO protection of senior citizens.

But, Obama IS for sitting with insurance carriers, IS for continuing the WAR, IS a friend of the banking industry, the credit card industry and every other Conservative base alliance. Why? Because he is assured of giving CORPORATE AMERICA what they want: dominion and control.

We, the proud Edwardians, continue the tradition of the LEFT-WING of the party, true to the Democratic core principles. We will fight against corporatism, the military-industrial-complex, the special interests. We will fight for the rights of the poor, the disenfranchised, the civil liberties we have lost.

WHAT WE WILL NEVER DO, IS MAKE NICE WITH REPUBLICAN SCUM, LIKE YOU AND YOUR MERRY BAND OF RIGHT-WING DEMOCRATS DO.

AND WE WILL ALL BE HERE TO MEET YOU AT THE DOOR TO THIS EDWARDS FORUM, TO REMIND YOU WHO WE ARE.

[flyarm]

18. it is hate that hurts us all.it is Hate that kills ..Obama's pastor needs to learn that!

this is a post i put at No Quarter..Larry Johnsons web site answering a Obamabrat..sent daily to larry's site .. as a paid obama troll

the link to the story is first..then i will post here my reply..Larry asked me if he can do a full sotry based on my post..we are still discussing it.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/15/senator-obama-do-words-matter/#more-1820


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Comment by flyarm | 2008-03-15 21:54:05

CEE…this dispicable man and so called Pastor had the nerve to say the following:

Obama’s Pastor: “God Damn America” : NO QUARTER
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/13/obamas-pastor-god-damn-america/

From Good Morning America today on the ABC network:

Obama’s Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama’s Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama’s Campaign Aides Say Is ‘Inflammatory Rhetoric’

By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008—

Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, has a long history of what even Obama’s campaign aides concede is “inflammatory rhetoric,” including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”

yes words do matter…

these are the last words of My co-workers on board Flight 11 …right before it hit the World Trade Center…

but let me tell you something ..stop the damn lying for this man!

stop it now!

my co-worker Amy Sweeney was not a terrorist.nor did she bring it upon herself or her passengers..or this nation..

in fact she had a child who started her first day of school that beautiful sunny September morning..

And for anyone to excuse the hate, that this man, who calls himself a pastor ..must make them a hater as well.

And i will tell you..without a shadow of doubt..it was hate..hate that killed my co-workers that day..it was religious ideology mixed with hate.

I just wonder if the Pastor or Obama or any of us would have had the valor and the professionalism and the guts ..that Amy Sweeney and Betty Ong..and the entire Crew and passengers had the morning of 9/11…Amy knowing she would never see her precious child again. Betty knowing her last moments were in front of her.

One would have thought we would have learned something that horrible day..but i fear we have learned nothing..as there are Americans willing to ignore and make excuses for these kind of hateful words..and many would walk into an election booth and vote for someone who has suported this hate for 17 + years.

yes words do matter.

Words were all Amy and Betty had ..with so few minutes left…to tell people on the ground what was happening..so they could help to keep this from ever happening again.

These were her last words..

we have learned nothing it seems.

and the hate continues.

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They were now nearing New York and the World Trade Center, but on board the plane it was quiet. “You didn’t hear hysteria in the background. You didn’t hear people screaming,” said Minter.

Woodward asked Sweeney to look out of the window and see if she could tell what was going on. “I see the water. I see the buildings. I see buildings,” she told him.

On the line to Raleigh, Ong said over and over again, “Pray for us. Pray for us.” Gonzales and Minter assured her they were praying.

Sweeney told Woodward the plane was flying very low. Then, he said, “She took a very slow, deep breath and then just said, ‘Oh, my God!’ Very slowly, very calmly, very quietly. It wasn’t in panic.”

Those were the last words Woodward heard. “Seconds later,” he said, “there was a very, very loud static on the other end.”
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/attack/abc_calmbefore.html

[Two Americas]

21. hey fly

I agree with pastor Wright, and the remarks are not any different than remarks I have heard many, many times over the years in AA churches.

Where do we go from here on that?

[flyarm]

22. i believe it starts with all of us..

i believe we get up and walk out when anyone speaks with the hatred that this man or any preacher..teacher..or anyone of power voices.

How could anyone sit and listen to that man and allow their children to hear what he was saying? and his gyrations..that to me is a form of child abuse...and teaches hatred.

and what this man has done is traded racism for sexism..in the worst way.
Did this man miss something..have women not fought hard to make still not even equal pay...Have women not had to work hard to prove themselves..maybe this pastor missed that because he is not a woman.

And i do believe women were the last to get the vote in this country..maybe i missed something here..but the Poor Obama stuff just doesn't sell with me..as it was my mothers generation and mine that fought for us to have most of the equal rights women have today. I don't believe we owe anyone an appology...

The shear hate this man displayed..is just beyond what i can accept...

it was hate that killed my co-workers..Hate and religious ideology.

and then i see this ..

and wonder..is this acceptable??????? and if it is ..why is it?


and where has the media been on this??????????

quote from The New Yorker Magazine
The Other Obama
Michelle Obama and the politics of candor.
by Lauren Collins
March 10, 2008
snip:

Michelle Obama: “I want to rip his eyes out!”
From the latest New Yorker–a profile on Michelle Obama.

“I want to rip his eyes out!” she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. “Kidding!” Obama said. “See, this is what gets me into trouble.”

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I just want to know where Keith Olberman and Jack Cafferty, Wolf Blitzer, Chris Matthews are in reporting this?

Michelle is talking about the former president of the United States.

She is talking about the former head of the Democratic party.



I can't even for the life of me, imagine Elizabeth Edwards speaking like this..and if on some wacky reason she did..it would be smeared all over the damn media..but with the Obama's, this stuff remains hidden from the public discussion by the MSM.

it defies logic..

[Two Americas]

23. ok

I don't see Wright's remarks as hateful, fly. How are they hateful?

As I have said, I have many problems with some white Obama supporters, who I think are fanatical about Obama as an expression of tokenism - which is a form of racism - and because they are delusional, and because they do not have Obama's back on this yet claim that it is not a problem in the general. But none of that is Wright's or Obama's fault.

I have heard similar things said very frequently over the years in AA churches. I have never heard anything that could be called "hatred." I think that some of the things not only said in AA churches, but in the AA communities in general, come as a shock to white ears because white people are too often in deep denial about the realities of race in America. These things may sound like "hatred" - but that requires being naive about the truth about race.

A Black person striving for position or power carries a heavier burden - they have to be more qualified, do a better job, and makes fewer mistakes to be seen as equal to a white person. Women also carry a heavier burden, and we can see Clinton struggling with that. Obama has to appear non-threatening to whites - so he has to distance himself from Wright's remarks - Clinton has to seem tough without seeming "bitchy" and is subject to the usual sexist attacks - she is emotional, unstable, too weak, manipulative, hysterical, screeching, nagging, etc.

So I don't find a lot of fault with Obama or Clinton, except of course for my deep disagreements with them about politics.

I think we have a variety of complex issues involved in this election, and they are getting mish-mashed together.

[chimpymustgo]

24. Two Americas, this is another great post from you! Once again, I urge you to post this

separately - in GDP. It's a very thoughtful take on the controversial pastor, who is viewed quite differently through various racial lenses.

[Two Americas]

25. thanks

This is a painful and confusing topic for people - it is so out of phase with our view of what America is - that no one is discussing it. It forces them to challenge their own preconceptions and assumptions, and turns their world upside down.

There is a difference between hatred - hundreds of years of hatred toward people of color that persists to this day - and the response to that hatred from the persecuted community. How do we measure "hatred?" In someone's words, words that make us uncomfortable? Or should we not measure it in millions of human beings oppressed, tortured, raped, enslaved, and murdered?

"I don't care whether or not someone likes me, so long as they do not have the power to harm me."

I keep repeating that to bring the discussion back to reality. Fighting poverty is not about "liking" poor people, or treating them kindly, nor is racism a matter of personally liking or disliking people. None of the issues and causes that we calim to care about would even exist were it not for the fact that real human beings are suffering. "Liking" people - placed into groups and called "them" - does not change that,

The flap over Wright's "hateful" and "racist" remarks is a throw back to the attitudes of whites in the 1850's. Millions were in bondage - held and worked like animals. But whites were obsessed with the danger of slave insurrections or retaliation, as though that were the greater danger. This reflects a chronic mindset - attitudes that persist as virulently as ever right until today, and we see it expressed here - by progressives (!) - all too often.

The playing field is not level. Just as slave retaliation was not the moral equivalent to massive institutional and systematic enslavement and oppression of African American people, so too the "hatred" from Wright, or Bobbie's or undergroundpanther's posts about being persecuted and impoverished are not the moral equivalent of a society-wide sickness of greed and cruelty and injustice.

Liberals are making this error again and again in every area, and this is the source of our frustration and failure, and the root cause of the ascendancy of the extreme right wing.

We cannot ignore the role of power and economics in politics. "Liking" Black people or poor people and being "nice" to them, while that may assuage guilt, is simply a way to ignore and deny the role of power and economics in politics, and when we ignore those we are not really talking about politics anymore. We are then merely talking about polite manners and personal lifestyle choices and preferences. That costs us nothing. That risks nothing. That will change nothing. Yet look at how vehemently people - especially more upscale people and better off people, and those who are striving to join that group - defend that.

"I don't care whether or not someone likes me, so long as they do not have the power to harm me."

That is what racism is about. That is what poverty is about. That is what injustice is about. That is what politics is about. Anything else is a polite tea party for upscale society folk.

The liberals and Democrats keep hanging a sign out - "poor people, minority people, persecuted people - welcome!" Then they start complaining when we track mud in on their lovely carpet and ruin their elegant tea party. As leftists, we need to decide, we need to make a choice and take a stand - either we take down that sign and stop being such hypocrites, or we stop worrying about the damned carpet.

[ClericJohnPreston]

26. Go forth Two Americas

and teach these miserable Obaminations who and what they really are! While playing the new age people of tolerance, the Obamites are merely enforcing racist stereotypes, while buying peace with their conscience AT NO COST. Quite an exchange rate! No wonder it is sooo easy for them.

So make it....NOT EASY! Post this in GDP. I'll have your back, as everyone here already knows. There is nothing like a little old-fashioned TRUTH is there?

[Two Americas]

27. the discussion

I think there is a pitched battle going on right now for the heart and soul of the political left, the party, and the country—and it is not between Republicans and Democrats. We need to face some hard truths, in my opinion, and can no longer afford to drift in fantasy land. This battle is a battle of words, and it is much more important than the campaign. In this way, Edwards won. Edwards supporters should not be downhearted or discouraged. The flame was lighted and grows stronger every day.

It is the shift in the thinking of the people that is important, and we finally have the opportunity to shift people's thinking through the discussions we are having now. This is much more important than the outcome of an election. This discussion that is breaking out everywhere now is the ocean, and candidates and their supporters and elections are merely leaves being tossed along on the waves.

All of the loyalty tests, and “will you support Democratic party candidates no matter what” and the attempts to co-opt people over into cults has one purpose—to get us to stop talking , stop thinking critically, stop questioning, stop connecting with each other on anything other than the most superficial candidate loyalty level. It has nothing to do with how any one votes come November, although people will claim that is what they are asking. This is about what we think and what we say. People want to use the Obama campaign to get people to shut up and stop thinking, because the things we are saying are making people feel very uncomfortable.

[Hermes Daughter]

20. You are wise and

I like the way you write. Thanks!

[earth mom]

28. Glad to see there is still some sanity left here on DU!

I swear the greatest page looks like it's been taken over by a cult!

I don't recognize anyone on many threads. DU is like a ghost town with a bunch of lunatics running the show!

Has most everyone left? Maybe DU is a habit I need to break too.

Glad I found some sane people on this thread! :hi:

[ClericJohnPreston]

29. Welcome

You have just EXITED from the Twilight Zone and landed back in reality.

[earth mom]

30. Thanks! I've been wondering where you and several others had gone to.

Didn't think to check this forum! Glad to see you here! :hi:

I barely recognize DU anymore...after 3+ years here. :wow:

[ChiciB1]

31. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks!!! Where HAVE You Been?? I've Stopped Doing

much at DU because John Edwards is not longer around, but there were plans we thought about and some that got started. I've been trying NOT to involve myself with all the crap that's been going on and have actually "stopped" watching MSM! But I have been busy reading and getting ready to go on a little trip.

BUT, it's good to see you're still around!! Thanks so much and I concur with all that you've said. I'm absolutely UNABLE to warm up to the OTHER TWO that seems to be making a real mess of things. I hear so much about how EXCITING this race is, how WONDERFUL and INSPIRING people think of our candidates and then.... I SIT AND WONDER!!

To me it's just a big mess and I'm feeling lonely and lost! Some of us still really really care about what John & Elizabeth Edwards wanted to do to help America and "we the people!" And America missed it's chance!

[ClericJohnPreston]

34. Thank you

for your rational choice to be with the people who know what is happening, are immune to manipulation, see the Truth of who the two candidates left standing are truly supporting, and will not yield EVER to the entreaties of cults and their members.

You will find NO ponies here, no pride in IGNORANCE, no wallowing in the gutters of decency, and no political neophytes or RIGHT-WING Democrats.

We are proud LEFT-WINGERS, the truest of the blue, and the members who still fight the good fight.

Glad you found us!

[ChiciB1]

35. Oh, I've Been Here For A Very Long Time For JOHN EDWARDS!!

I have bumper stickers on my car, had to take my yard signs down because the sun was fading them and I STILL have posters stuck in windows.

I AM the same as you! I'm a LONG TIME Edwards supporter... a long long time! And I'm NOT shy about it either!