Slavery thread in GD "...slaves treated like family members"

[Solly Mack]

brb with link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3604409&mesg_id=3604485

[Solly Mack]

1. OMG! I'm frothing now

now some nitwit is defending the statement...

[mark414]

2. some people will do anything

in an attempt to clear their consciences and make themselves feel better

in the short term, it serves them and serves them well, but it hurts us all in the long run.

[Solly Mack]

3. I'm simply astonished

how can they not see that by virtue of being a slave, they are not and cannot be family members or even treated like a member of the fmaily...and then this person goes on to compare a human to a stick.

[mark414]

5. i did my best

but this person seems so ridiculously dense that i don't think anything will get through to them

[Solly Mack]

6. I know! Incredibly obtuse! Intentionally so...

[Robeson]

12. The one poster over there just can't understand that...

...a Master/Slave relationship is a dominant/subservient relationship, which in and of itself, is an abusive relationship. An abusive relationship is not a good one, irregardless of the kindness of the one who is the abuser.

[Solly Mack]

13. I know...yet the poster accuses me of "not grasping English"

well enough to understand. That very nuance you just described totally escapes the poster.

[Chovexani]

4. Sure

If we're talking the Manson family.

WTF is going on with DU tonight that that's only the second stupidest post I've read (I linked to the other one in other thread).

[Solly Mack]

7. I'm amazed at times at the level of stupidity I see

[JohnKleeb]

8. Hey guys first time poster here

I just read that, jesus christ, slaves weren't treated like family, what the hell was that person thinking, my family's history isn't too great but there is one thing I am proud of about my family history that there was no slave ownership ever. Jeez, revisionist history is right. Y'all did great in there btw against the bullshit.

[Solly Mack]

9. hey kleeb

and then they bring up the children of slaves who were the product of rape (how can it not be rape in a master/slave relationship?) ...it's not like a slave has much choice, you know?..and call that "being treated like a member of the family? They probably think Sally Hemmings was "in love"

I especially love "washington didn't like splitting up families"..but he for damn sure didn't mind owing them!

DU has it's share of slavery apologists it seems. They want to believe "it wasn't that bad" for some. How can it not be bad to be a human being and be owned?

It's like they think if a master patted his own child's head and then patted a slave child's heads, that's somehow equal treatment....they are constantly leaving out the "slave" aspect as if it didn't make the entire difference.

[JohnKleeb]

16. Hey

Yes its obvious that Sally Hemmings and those like her were not in love but taken advantage of. Slavery I think is one of the most disgraceful things about the country's history, it lasted 200+ years in this country from the first indentured servants to arrive in Jamestown in 1619 to the 13th amendment in 1865. The mere principle of slavery makes it wrong, and that is owning another human being which to me is one of the greatest wrongs. Thanks for the welcome by the way, I hear this is a pretty cool and welcoming place, so I may stop by often.

[Chovexani]

21. Glad to have ya Kleeb!

I hope you stick around, you're one of my favorite DUers (us gaming dorks have to stick together). :hi:

[JohnKleeb]

23. Thanks, mighty kind of ya to say that

:hi: I probably will stay around, seems like a good atmosphere here. God though do people listen to what they say though, I read some of the stuff you guys been posting and that Ebony and Low Rider comment, god talk about racial-ethnic sterotyping, maybe I should go eat a potato, eat some kielbasa, and drink some beer. :)

[Brewman_Jax]

10. Another one

of the moral relativists/revisionists--it wasn't so bad because WE in the USA did it, not like those backward evil thugs in...(place country here) :eyes:

You can't have an equal relationship between unequal people! :banghead:

[Solly Mack]

15. Exactly

I had to log off last night and go collect myself.

[HamdenRice]

11. Possibly the most appalling DU thread of all time

I can't believe what I have been reading. Thank you Solly for fighting the good fight.

[Solly Mack]

14. I tried. I am floored that such a simple concept seems beyond

the grasp of some.

The master/slave dynamic can never approach anything close to equal...or "treated like they were members of the family"

[SemiCharmedQuark]

18. I think NSMA put it best...when they cared for slaves, they were caring

for property, not family.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

17. Oh, don't be so hard on Jefferson!

What makes me even more angry is that these are the same people who HATE Lincoln and claim that HE was a racist. Like this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3604409&mesg_id=3605304&page=


Jefferson was a huge hypocrite. At least when Lincoln said he hated slavery, he meant it and um...DIDN'T OWN SLAVES.

[JohnKleeb]

19. Oh man the hypocrisy of that, youre right.

Lincoln was way better than Washington, Jefferson, etc because he did consider slavery wrong at least and he didnt yes ever own slaves. I'd take Lincoln over Jefferson any day honestly.

[Pithy Cherub]

20. I am officially freaked at the historical contortions

being performed to "feel OK" about despicable behavior. We revere those who IN THE MOMENT stand for what is right, good and difficult in the face of the most challenging circumstances. That is why history is so harsh to people who fall short of the glory so to speak.

You all have done an outstanding job on that thread! Mad props. I have had my own issues on another thread that is just as bad if not worse... :(

[Chovexani]

22. The short bus was doing like 100 last night wasn't it?

Between this and that other thread I pretty much wavered between :wtf: and :banghead: for most of the evening.

Had to go watch cartoons to chill out.

[Pithy Cherub]

24. had to exit stage "left" myself.

Sent it to a friend who is a top level IT professional. He thought I was yanking his chain and that this was a circa 1992 "opinion". I had to make myself rewrite my answer several times to pull the snark because I realized she/he literally did not know any better. Then it was off to reread Harry Potter. Voldemort was seemingly present everywhere!

:toast:

[Solly Mack]

25. Yeah, that thread was filled with jaw droppers

[fortyfeetunder]

26. No surprise at the attitudes!!!

I think people drink the kool-aid through their history books...and what the mainstream media feeds them. They think that is all gospel.

They don't think critically and objectively.

Then they try to practice their knowledge in DU and other places, where they receive the smackdown they truly deserve.