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[firedupdem]

There is a post in GDP regarding this girl and her sentence.

I don't think it's harsh enough. Opinions?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Todd

Todd was charged with filing a false police report, a misdemeanor charge with a maximum jail sentence of two years. While jailed, Todd underwent a court-ordered psychiatric examination and was deemed to be competent to stand trial, but in need of further counseling. On October 30, she agreed to a deal in which she was released from jail, but must undergo psychiatric counseling as condition of her release. Upon her formal arraignment in January, Todd would enter a probation program for first-time offenders, after which her record would be expunged if there had been no further offenses. Continued mental health counseling would also be a condition of the probation period. The deal did not require Todd to enter a plea.<11><12><13>

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[Raineyb]

1. I've posted a few times there.

I am not remotely inclined to overlook this. She's merely the latest in a long string of white people who blame black people for shit they did. It's a good damn thing that no one was rounded up before this hoax was exposed I can only imagine how many men would have been beaten or shot.

As per usual in cases like this since the perpetrator is white there's a huge cry for mental help.

I want to see her ass rot in prison for awhile. I do not feel magnanimous about this in the least and it's just another example of the system bending over backwards to help white people when they'd gladly throw one of us in jail.

Regards

[firedupdem]

2. We are definitely on the same page. I was amazed to see all

the defense being thrown out there for this girl. I hate to imagine what would have happened to an innocent kid walking by. She could have pointed him out and he would have been locked up. It's amazing to see the incident being compared to a speeding driver! Pissed me off completely. This is why my boys think I'm over protective as hell. They are young and fearless and I'm old enough to know better. I had a friend in college sent to prison over the cry of rape from the college tramp. She would show up at the parties with her crew drunk as hell and willing to do what the rest of us wouldn't. He took the bait and ended up in prison. Fucking sickening.

[Number23]

4. Rainey, your bloodlust is scaring me.

:)

I'll look for that thread in GD but I already know it's gonna piss me off. I'll just add it to the list of all the other things that piss me off around here...

[firedupdem]

6. I don't know if you found it...

it's in GD:P

Here ya go just in case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8302635&mesg_id=8302635

[Number23]

10. Yeah, I'm all late to the party but I'm there now!

Of course, now everyone else has gone home... :)

[Raineyb]

8. LOL I should probably stop

It's pissing me off and it's bordering on picking a fight. But I just feel like I need to rub their noses in it and maybe eventually they'll get a clue.

<sigh>

But it was decent fodder for an essay I had to write. :shrug:

Regards

[firedupdem]

9. Boom went the dynamite! I'm glad you are on my side...

:rofl:

[bliss_eternal]

14. Ok.....

...now I gotta' peek.

On edit--I looked.
Their concern for her mental health is adorable. So precious...:eyes:


I don't recall the octuplet mother getting such consideration or pleas for "help."
Just lots of arguments that she was a lazy, good for nothing welfare mother. Yeah, maybe she's mentally ill, but so what?! She's bleeding the system, already got kids she can't afford (translation--"using white tax dollars w/her lazy, poor ass...so we're in our rights to trash her.....shit, we own her.")

[Number23]

3. If a black chick named Shaniqua had done this, should would probably have gotten

the maximum sentence.

I remember the story of that au pair in NYC who beat a baby to death in the 1990s. I was working at CNN at the time and I can't tell you how many stories we ran about that.

The thing that I remember standing out so clearly for me was the number of white women CNN interviewed on the streets of NY who were saying "oh, you can just look at this girl and tell she didn't do it." The au pair was a young, white girl from somewhere in Europe (UK maybe??). These white women in NY were able to tell merely from LOOKING at this girl that she was innocent of this terrible crime. The girl went to jail but there was a big outcry.

I was probably 24 at the time, young and clueless. And even then I remember thinking if that had been a black girl with dreadlocks named Laneesha, would they still have been able to simply LOOK at her and glean her innocence????

[bliss_eternal]

12. Oh no, not Shaniqua....

lol.

Not to take from your point, because you are correct. It tickled me that you put it this way. :spray:

[Brewman_Jax]

5. A black victim or defendant would not garner such sympathy

A case in point: the Duke lacrosse team rape incident. 'Nuff said. There are some references in "Best of.. Pt. 2" that show that in glaring detail.

[firedupdem]

7. Thanks...I'm going to check that thread out. n/t

[bliss_eternal]

11. Totally agree...

...consider the octuplet mother (setting aside any personal feelings on the issue for a moment). If she was white, I seriously doubt she would have garnered as much vitriol in so many. Far more would have been concerned about her "mental health issues." I'm sure some would have even pulled together support to donate money for her 'mental health.'

Given her ethnicity,....just another lazy black woman, making babies and living off white people's tax dollars. Everyone join in and hate her--she deserves it! :eyes:

On edit, there's SO many examples.

Remember that woman in Texas, put to death when 'w' was governor? (Was her name Carla something?)The one everyone said changed(she murdered people seemingly in cold blood--in part due to being severely mentally ill and unmedicated). She 'found god', was appropriately treated for her schizophrenia, and was helping people while in jail.

I recall thinking no discussion would have occured if she was a woman of any color other than white. Do not pass GO, do not collect anything...not even a last meal...go straight to the gas chamber....and die. Period.

But this woman got at least one stay of execution while the media discussed if she 'should' die.

;)

[Brewman_Jax]

15. Karla Faye Tucker

is the person you're thinking of. She didn't get a stay of execution, but she did garner much sympathy from around the world, including the Pope. You're correct, a person of color in the same situation would not have gotten the level of sympathy and concern as Ms. Tucker received.

[Number23]

16. Lord, I remember Karla Faye! I was telling my husband about her a few days ago

I will never forget all of the "noise" surrounding Ms. Karla, who (iirc) stabbed somebody with a damn ice pick or something 198 times while on crack! (Okay, I may be a little fuzzy on the details but you get my drift) :)

I was astounded over the amount of sympathy she got, allegedly because she "found God" while in jail. Every black guy that goes to jail finds God, but I'll be damned if there was a nation-wide cry for any of them to be freed (although Tookie Williams the guy that was in the Crips or Bloods who killed someone while he was a gangbanger and then went on to speak out against gangs and was credited with saving a bunch of lives comes to mind. But he had to do a hell of alot more than "find God" to garner the support he got; he had to actually save people)

[Number23]

17. W surprised alot of people with Karla Faye

There was so much "noise" surrounding her story that everyone just knew that the gov would let her off. I'll never forget it.

Sure enough, the day before she was set to have been executed, W called a press conference. I remember just waiting for him to say that he'd had a change of heart and would be letting her go. He comes out, goes to the podium says something like: "I know that there is alot of emotion surrounding this issue and I wish that I could help. Karla Faye committed a crime; was found guilty and the punishment is execution. There's nothing more than I could do." Homeboy put his note cards back in his pocket, turned on his heel and LEFT.

The next day Karla Faye was executed. I honestly believe that was one of the events that put W on the national stage.

[Raineyb]

18. It wouldn't have surprised me if this did put him on the national stage

(That and him being a Bush and all)

It was his reaction to a question about Karla Faye Tucker that also let some people know that he's a sadist. The amount of glee he showed while making fun of her pleas for life was really creepy. Personally, I've always found the way the shrub talked about the death penalty in general extremely creepy. But it took him talking about this "saved" white woman to put a fine point on it for some other folks.

Regards

[bliss_eternal]

19. Yes...!

It was creepy--very much so. :scared:
He also seemed quite proud of having put so many to death during his time as governor.

[bliss_eternal]

13. Being on a "progressive" board...

...doesn't change the fact that many members are not only ensconced in white privilege, they are also completely unaware when they argue cases on it's basis.

[Political Tiger]

20. What she committed was essentially a hate crime.

It wasn't long ago in this country when all a white woman had to do was just claim an African-American man looked at her the wrong way when a lynch crowd would gather up and hang the nearest black man they could find from a tree!

If it was up to me, I'd require her to do community service in a predominately African-American section of town or for an organization like ACORN.

[noiretextatique]

21. that would be an appropriate punishment

i would add that she would have to live in the community where she did her community service.

[NorthernSpy]

22. Those people in that thread can afford to be all superior and forgiving...

After all, Ashley Todd's actions didn't make them vulnerable, so for the Truly Enlightened (tm) among us, it's just another opportunity to play Gandhi.


I'm with you, firedupdem. I thought the court should have thrown the book at her. But I'm not surprised that they didn't.

[Raineyb]

23. They didn't take too kindly to that being pointed out to them either.

When I did, I was accused of accusing someone of being racist.

That thread dropped fairly quickly though. "Progressives" don't like being called out on their bullshit any more than right wingers do.

Regards