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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 11:34 PM
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Really? Democrats want to kill a Democratic party platform initiative?
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 11:36 PM by firedupdem
The lines being drawn in this healthcare drama are becoming clearer to me and raising some important political questions. I know there are substantive policy differences and fears about giveaways to Big Pharma and Big Insurance and Big Bigness. Folks are rightly concerned about cost controls and competition and mandates.

But I want to focus on some political points. Because the politics are often (perhaps even usually) more important than the policy.

To those calling for the Senate bill (which isn’t final) to be killed

How will Democrats look to others after sweeping into office only to shoot themselves in the foot less that one year later? Could Democrats really be taken seriously? “Hey, Democrats. How’s that climate legislation going? Oh wait, you choked at the last second!”
Former DNC Chair Howard Dean has gone to extraordinary lengths to publicly destroy what is currently in the Senate. Both on television and in the Washington Post, he has said Kill The Bill. Could you ever imagine former RNC chairs Ken Mehlman or Ed Gillespie doing such a thing to Bush? Saying that his tax cuts weren’t big enough and didn’t last long enough and so we just have to scrap them and start over.

When Bill Clinton was gutting welfare, sending black men to prison in droves, selling out America’s laborers in the name of globalization or laying the groundwork for our current economic collapse, did we see former DNC chairs Ron Brown or Paul Kirk publicly advocating against these policies? I honestly don’t know, but I seriously doubt it.

It just looks bad. I’m not an apologist for insurance companies, Joe Lieberman or any other entity that stands in the way of good ideas becoming law. Nor am I a fan of blind followership. Perhaps Obama would have less of a cleanup job had more Republicans halted his insanity. However, from a political perspective, Democrats asking for this Democratic healthcare bill to be killed look extraordinarily silly. The voices of so many Democrats expressing such exasperation so publicly and so soon into this administration seems amazing to me.

I also don’t hear any “re-entry” strategy, if you will. Say that Democrats vote down their own bill. When in this magical future are we supposed to get that more perfect bill? After 2010? 2015? 2020? This just doesn’t make much sense to me.

For those who say, “but there are serious corporate giveaways.” Name me a bill that makes it through the United States Congress that doesn’t have major corporate giveaways! It’s how this system works. You can argue that the system is rotten, and we need campaign finance reform, and those are great points, but they have very little to do with the politics of the present moment. The politics of the present moment demand that those on the left who’ve fought for health care reform support this bill and build on that foundation in the future.

For those who say, “but I didn’t vote for Lieberman and Nelson!” True. I hate Lieberman as much as any other person of principle. He should be dealt with in the future, but he’s there now. And the time is now to get something passed.

Again, I’m arguing politics here. Not policy. A policy post will likely come later, but I can’t for the life of me see how the Democrats ever get taken seriously if they sabotage their own bill.

Please correct me if I’m missing something.

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:00 AM
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1. See what I'm talking about? This person is obviously not crazy about the health care reform
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 12:01 AM by Number23
currently being crafted. This person is also obviously no fan of Joe Lieberman, Bill Nelson or of insurance companies.

And yet, this person is still able to STEP OUTSIDE OF THEMSELVES and see the big picture. Here is the money quote:
"Say that Democrats vote down their own bill. When in this magical future are we supposed to get that more perfect bill? After 2010? 2015? 2020? This just doesn’t make much sense to me."

That is quite frankly EXACTLY what it boils down to. When do these people running around like idiots think that another opportunity where they'll even get 1/50th this close to sweeping healthcare reform is going to come? After seeing Democrats show their royal asses damn near as much as the teabaggers, who in the hell would put themselves on the line to fight for these people and their ideals again, particularly if members of their own constituency (you know, the ones who put them in power and pretty much the only people they care about after the lobbyists who pay their bills) are opposed or apathetic to reform as is the case now with alot of Blue Dogs? Why is this so damned hard for people to understand??

Check out this article - "Rep. Anthony Weiner: ‘Howard Dean Is Wrong,’ We Shouldn’t ‘Let The Perfect Be The Enemy Of The Good’ http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/12/18/weiner-dean/

Anthony Weiner was a liberal DU God a few weeks ago. Do I even need to inform you that the thread on this article on DU is now at less than 0 recs??


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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:59 AM
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3. Isn't it amazing that there is this much push back? Howard Dean
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 01:00 AM by firedupdem
and the others know darn well that there is compromise with everything in D.C. Don't we all wish the bill was perfect?

I find it 'suspect' that they are trying to kill this bill. I think it is making them sick that this man is about to sign into law the first health care overhaul in freakin' forever!

Rush Limbaugh isn't the only asshole hoping for failure.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:12 AM
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4. dean doesn't know DC and didn't make it out of the primary
and does anyone seriously think howard (the scream) dean could get blanche, landieu, and the nelsons on board for a more progressive bill? Much less snowe, collins and lie_man?

If you believe that, I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:18 AM
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5. Heck No...He couldn't do jack!
I honestly think anyone else wouldn't have even considered reform. They would have pushed it aside to deal with the wars, the economy etc. That would have been the cover they needed to put it on the back burner, or forget it completely. I appreciate that this president is willing to dive into a bunch of this mess at once.

I really don't blame him if he goes back to the southside of chicago in 2012. I wouldn't deal with all that's going on. I'm not completely happy with everything, but I truly believe this president actually cares about folks.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:27 AM
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2. exactly
Kick.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:13 PM
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6. Killing this bill is suspect in more ways than one. A recent DU
poll indicated that the majority of the members here HAVE health insurance in some shape, form or fashion. Interestingly enough that same majority is screaming to kill the bill! What happened to the basic democratic platform of "caring about people" and being our brother's keeper? Not to mention that the majority of those without insurance in this country are minorities. What does that tell you? I know what it tells me! I know what time it is and I know where I am.
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